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1 posted on 12/16/2011 7:24:50 PM PST by bamahead
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2 posted on 12/16/2011 7:28:17 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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Tyranny.


3 posted on 12/16/2011 7:28:17 PM PST by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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Screw the EPA and its affirmative action dictatoress.


4 posted on 12/16/2011 7:29:38 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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The EPA, led by marxists and their disciples (Lisa Jackson), since Carol Browner’s regime under the Clintons, has been running roughshod over many American rights, including “takings”, “wetlands” definitions, “navigable waters” redefinitions, etc.

This is not to say that everything that the EPA does is leftist or wrong or illegal. It is not, but the Left today is waging “economic warfare” thru the EPA and environmental legislation “gone wild.”

There are reasonable laws and ways of cleaning up the environment as well as protecting existing areas, without using authoritarian tactics (the trademark of the Marxist Left).

If the Sacketts win, it will put a big lasso around the rogue wild horse that the EPA has become under Obama, Browner (his recent environmental advisor besides “green” czar Comrade Van Jones), and Browner’s protege’, Lisa Jackson, an out of control zealot.

They are doing a lot of harm to those who use reason in dealing with environmental issues in the government, as well as harming the Constitution.

However, they don’t give a damn about either.


8 posted on 12/16/2011 7:39:04 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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I cannot quite understand how we ever got ourselves in the position where the lawmaking authority of Congress has been handed over to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats.


9 posted on 12/16/2011 7:39:39 PM PST by Taxbilly
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

15 posted on 12/16/2011 8:57:40 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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I realize that judicial culture fetishizes the concept of precedent but eventually the Supreme Court is going to have to rein in the EPA if the Constitution is to have any meaning.


17 posted on 12/16/2011 9:57:36 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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The government oppresses the American people and legally steals from them. The states need to stop this evil federal government agency from recklessly stealing money from citizens and destoying their lives. I pray the Lord Jesus Christ protect these souls from the evil federal government should the states fail to take their Constitutional powers to themselves and protect thier citizens from the dictators of DC who are renegade devils at this present time.


24 posted on 12/17/2011 7:21:57 AM PST by kindred (wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ ...)
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Hmm, back in the days of a sane America, the idea that a government agency could even think of doing such a thing would’ve been preposterous. Shows how low we’ve gone when a person’s right to their property doesn’t just have to be defended, by actually recognized first.


25 posted on 12/17/2011 9:06:20 AM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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After Kelo, you would be foolish to think that the Black Robed Tyrants will protect anyone, except of course the Statists and those that empower them.


27 posted on 12/17/2011 1:54:13 PM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out! Especially the Frugal Socialists who call themselves Republicans.)
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Executive legislation is prevented by the Constitution. That it is tolerated is absurd. It violates, clearly, the Separation of Powers enshrined in the Constitution.

There were/are two arguments in favor of agency made law:

1. Emergencies - this is how they were instituted, but once the crisis is passed the tyranny remains.

2. Convenience - this argument has two parts, each of which attempts to stand on its own.

A. It’s part of the Necessary and Proper Clause

“The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer there of.”

Why have a Congress if they just delegate lawmaking authority to the Executive? This one is absurd on its face.

B. The second one avoids any Constitutional veneer and simply says, “In a modern nation you simply cannot have government managed by the votes of Congress. There must be a professional class monitoring, administrating and managing the ‘business’ of government.” This argument appeals to the weaker minds on both the Left and Right.

For this you must understand the only and fundamental purpose of the American experiment in governance - the preservation of individual liberty. The Founders weren’t fools and clearly absolute individual liberty is a formula for anarchy first and despotism second. We must be united and strong enough to dissuade would be tyrants, both internal and external.

That said, the purpose of government isn’t to manage the economy, American lives, or to even work to keep us safe. Fraud is always against the law. It breaks the 9th Commandment and Natural Law. The current size and scope of the Federal Government is outside its Constitutional bounds. National problems can be managed through temporary state created institutions focusing on a limited problem.


28 posted on 12/17/2011 3:24:53 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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The EPA and Obama are hell bent on destroying the oil business in Texas. Starting with a friggin lizard they say is endangered to hydraulic fracking.

Listen up all you EPA goons. Word is, these oil companies will begin placing armed guards at the gates of these rigs to protect it's employees AND their possesions.

Just keep it up fellas, it's all fun and games until someone loses their life.

29 posted on 12/18/2011 8:03:13 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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>In the meantime, the Sacketts risk $32,500 in fines per day if they fail to comply.

What about the Eighth?


31 posted on 12/20/2011 2:58:27 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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