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Are we better off dead than disabled?
The B.C. Catholic ^ | 12/12/11 | Rhonda Wiebe

Posted on 12/15/2011 3:58:50 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: 50mm
These ZOT pings are great... Thanks, for the ping. ;-)

61 posted on 12/18/2011 7:02:23 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I blame the movies for making death look "peaceful" and just like "going to sleep". It isn't. Our exit is every bit as messy as our entrance.

You're right, Ed.

A parachute not opening, that's the way to die, getting caught in a combine, having your nuts bit off by a Laplander.

That's the way l want to go.

62 posted on 12/18/2011 7:03:19 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: wagglebee
When I was about 13 I was sent to a school for kids with disabilities for a couple of years. The school was county ran and was opened as a result of the Polio epidemic to help kids who survived it adapt. The school also took in students other schools were not equipped to handle like CP, MD, Autism, deafness, blindness, learning issues, Spinal Bifia, you name it it was there.

I was there due to some Inner Ear and optic issues related to my sensory system making me one eye functional, poor coordination, and ADD ADHD type symptoms. In two years I was back at regular school.

The help they gave me allowed me to pass my armed forces physicals. It gave me till age 36 in the workforce before I had too stop. My life goes on and life has purpose.

Over 26 years ago I met a woman at work after the unexpected death of my first wife. Our lunch time together grew into dating. We grew quite serious in our love for each other.

On a date 26 years ago she collapsed at a local mall. She walked in I carried her out to her car and a fast trip following a cop to the ER. The final prognoses was quadriplegia at C-5 C-6 section of her spine. She had arm, hand, neck, and some trunk movement but it was too be permanent.

Two months into hospitalization we married. I helped her raise her children and became her caregiver. Nine years into our marriage my childhood issues became more acute and I was placed on disability. I can walk though with a cane now for balance. I have seizures almost daily due to my sensory processing system.

I would hate too think of not having the past 26 years with my wife. Adversity is a part of life. Very early in life I learned too look beyond the disability and see the person.

I also have two cousins placed in wheelchairs since birth. One is the mother of several children. Their parents {one being my first cousin} were told when they were very young they would not make it too their teens. Both are almost 40.

I will resist with all my being and ability anyone from any so called board wanting to place a value on my wife's life due to disability. I have quite strong arms and hands steady enough to make good on that.

63 posted on 12/18/2011 7:10:13 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: wagglebee

Some people can’t get their heads around “dead”. They romanticize it as the absence of suffering and pain, but with still an awareness thereof (and without obvious religious issues like Hell).

From Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead:

Rosencrantz: Did you ever think of yourself as actually dead, lying in a box with a lid on it?

Guildenstern: No.

Rosencrantz: Nor do I, really. It’s silly to be depressed by it. I mean, one thinks of it like being alive in a box. One keeps forgetting to take into account the fact that one is dead, which should make all the difference, shouldn’t it? I mean, you’d never *know* you were in a box, would you? It would be just like you were asleep in a box. Not that I’d like to sleep in a box, mind you. Not without any air. You’d wake up dead for a start, and then where would you be? In a box. That’s the bit I don’t like, frankly. That’s why I don’t think of it. Because you’d be helpless, wouldn’t you? Stuffed in a box like that. I mean, you’d be in there forever, even taking into account the fact that you’re dead. It isn’t a pleasant thought. Especially if you’re dead, really. Ask yourself, if I asked you straight off, “I’m going to stuff you in this box. Now, would you rather be alive or dead?” naturally, you’d prefer to be alive. Life in a box is better than no life at all, I expect. You’d have a chance, at least. You could lie there thinking, “Well, at least I’m not dead. In a minute somebody is going to bang on the lid, and tell me to come out.”

[bangs on lid]

Rosencrantz: “Hey you! What’s your name? Come out of there!”

Guildenstern: [long pause] I think I’m going to kill you.


64 posted on 12/18/2011 7:14:34 PM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: PiperShade

When you were a child your parents fed you, clothed you, nursed you, wiped your butt, changed your diaper, cleaned up your vomit, provided for all your needs for most kids for at least 18 years. Yet you want to piss and moan about returning as much as they gave you back to them?


65 posted on 12/18/2011 7:16:54 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: PiperShade; wagglebee; 50mm; Old Sarge; Jim Thompson; darkwing104; stephenjohnbanker; SunkenCiv; ...


So long, PiperShade (Posting History)

Hat Tip to wagglebee, 50mm, Old Sarge, and Jim Robinson

Pro-death troll argues for death panels and becomes crackly crunchy from the terrible gaze of The Man Himself





We are Free Republic - We are pro life


Thank you JoeProBono

FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

66 posted on 12/18/2011 8:36:47 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TheOldLady

Ooo...nice pic


67 posted on 12/18/2011 8:42:13 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: TheOldLady

Thanks, for the ping. ;-)


68 posted on 12/18/2011 8:43:05 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Thanks!


69 posted on 12/18/2011 9:05:36 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: skinkinthegrass

My pleasure, sweetie.


70 posted on 12/18/2011 9:06:04 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: PiperShade; All

And I’m facing the same issues myself, it seems !

*******

Oh my, and this disabled person was zotted. Interesting......


71 posted on 12/18/2011 9:31:06 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

I have a feeling I should know that quote.


72 posted on 12/18/2011 11:11:52 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: metmom

I faced these issues with my husband all last summer. He died in August. “Quality of life” was brought up to me by the doctor and by my ste-son. To me, their solutions were based on THEIR quality of life instead of my husband’s. They would rid of the dealing with the problem and wouldn’t have to face it anymore if my husband was gone.

Since my husband and I had discussed his declining poor health a number of times, I knew exactly what to do, which was do everything possible to keep him alive (and screw their quality of life).

Although spouses can make decisions, I also had a medical power of attorney to stop anyone in the track when it came to making medical decisions. I suggest you have a medical power of attorney legal piece of paper - I just kept giving out copies and no one messed with me. You do have to deal with hospitals and the first thing out of their mouth is, “Do you have a living will?” I always said, no, those are death wills, not living wills and heere’s my medical power of attorney. Living wills say do not resusitate and that’s a death sentence. Make a bunch of copies of your medical power of attorney for each of you and you hold the power to keep life going.

I can tell you from months of life and death deisions for him, hospitals would rather the problem be gone in severe cases.


73 posted on 12/18/2011 11:39:46 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Markos33; PiperShade; 50mm; Harmless Teddy Bear

I’m told that a certain Teddy Bear sat behind a duckblind and bushwhacked the troll with a grenade launcher somewhere in there.
Piper just never saw it coming.
Of course, trolls never do figure out that the vending machines are rigged.


74 posted on 12/19/2011 2:17:44 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: PiperShade

75 posted on 12/19/2011 5:47:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Markos33
His account was euthanized. He had become a burden to Free Republic.

Great post!

76 posted on 12/19/2011 5:50:35 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: PiperShade; wagglebee; 50mm
Well, I'd say that was a fitting ZOT. Cost/benefit analysis when it comes to loved ones? You're really a cold, heartless little POS aren't you. Fitting we can give you what you so urgently want for others...

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77 posted on 12/19/2011 6:21:57 AM PST by bcsco
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, a Merry Christmas to you and your family.

You are FR’s resident walking miracle, and a testimony to your faith in the goodness of God, the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the sustaining power of the Holy Spirit.

If the life of one is considered of no value, then the life of all have no value.

If we can print trillions to bail out foreign banks, we can print green pieces of paper to save lives. We are always being set up by the godless to accept a limit on resources, a false choice in order to “save society”.

Well, we have been cleaning the air for 40 years, and it still isn’t clean enough, according to the enviro whackjobs.
We have been cleaning the water for 40 years, and it still isn’t clean enough.We have been fighting the War on Drugs for 40 years, and it never ends. The War on Poverty is in its 46th year, and there is no hope of winning in sight.

We have eliminated 60 million Americans since 1973 with abortion on demand, and after almost 39 years, every child is evidently still not a “wanted child”.

Thus, there will be no end of the ever expanding list of “undesirables” who we will be told are “just taking resources from the living”.

The rest of the world can run off that cliff. Not my country, if I can help it.

We are much better than that.

Continued good health to you, Jeff. God is not finished with you yet. You still have a job to do for Him, and when that job is done, He will promote you to Heaven. You have influenced many, and there are many more you will yet influence.

All glory to God forever and ever.


78 posted on 12/19/2011 6:35:42 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I have a feeling I should know that quote.

Like a midget at the urinal, I would have to stay on my toes!

;-)

79 posted on 12/19/2011 8:13:25 AM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: TheOldLady
Serious nuclear powered zottage from da man himself.


80 posted on 12/19/2011 8:18:59 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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