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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; mitchell001; SENTINEL; SZonian; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Colofornian

A former Mormon would do us all a favor to tell us where Mormon theology would come down of such a thing as their understanding of the status and relevance of Israel.

Also on things like abortion, homosexuality, etc.

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I also pinged some other ex-Mo’s.

I will tell you what I was taught as a Mormon. Mormonism is the TRUE remnant of Israel and the Mormon church (mostly Utah) is “Zion”. Most Mormons, when they get their “Patriarchal Blessing” are told they are descended from (usually) the tribe of Ephraiam or Menassah. Early Mormon prophets taught (and many LDS still believe) that there is a ‘spiritual blood transfusion’ that takes place at baptism making Mormons Israel.

One of the favorite LDS hymns is called “Israel, Israel, God is Calling” - which was a favorite of British converts coming to America and “Zion”. http://www.onlymormon.com/Hymns/7/

Mormons, in essence, believe in a replacement theology regarding Israel, so Beck’s ‘love’ of Israel means something altogether different in his religion than he is letting on.

Regarding Abortion - the LDS “Church handbook of Instructions” states that abortion is OK if approached in prayer and ‘confirmed’ by God (through burning in the bosom).

Regarding Homosexuality - LDS Church has taken a much easier stance lately, so much so I expect to see a revelation OKing it in the next 10 years or so (just like Blacks and the priesthood in 1978). They came out in support of gay rights in SLC last year and this year gave an openly gay man a position of power (stake secretary).


73 posted on 12/15/2011 9:47:37 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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I am an ex-mormon, now a non-denominational Christian.

The many different doctrines taught about Isreal by the over 100 sects of the Mormon Cult is a web of confusion.

In general, though, they believe that America is the "promised land" and "new Isreal" and "Zion", that the new temple that Christ returns to and rules from will be a Mormon temple located in Missouri, that Christ is a Mormon rather than a jew, and that mormons are the "chosen People" rather than Jews, and oh yeah, when Christ returns with his legions of angels they'll be carrying the american flag.

Now is typically the time in my discussions where breakaway lds sect mormons come in (like Romney or Reid) and call me a liar, deny, and spin....They should be warned, I'm prepared to show everything I've just said to be true with referenced quotes from their own sources.

75 posted on 12/15/2011 10:35:44 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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