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Posted on 12/11/2011 12:00:59 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
GREENVILLE, S.C. – Campaigning in South Carolina on Thursday, both Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry visited a hotel ballroom to seek the support of a crucial coalition here, as well as in Iowa: Evangelical pastors.
They were both featured speakers at the Pastors Policy Briefing, a gathering of roughly 400 church leaders hosted by the South Carolina Renewal Project, a branch of an under-the-radar evangelical group that holds similar events in other major primary states.
Gingrich and Perry– one recently thrust into the glare of public favor, the other trying to get back in it – gave speeches that demonstrated vastly different levels of comfort with religious rhetoric.
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Both Gingrich and Perry participated in a group prayer after their speeches, in which the pastors were invited to approach the candidates, lay their hands on them and worship.
Standing on the podium, Gingrich was flanked by a few pastors, who, heads bowed, reached for his shoulders as Luis Cataldo, a minister who hosted The Response with Perry, said a prayer.
But Perry, who had left the stage by the time the prayer began, attracted many more pastors to his side. Kneeling, he was almost completely concealed by those surrounding him as Cataldo began the prayer.
When the prayer was over, Perry rose slowly, hugging and shaking the hands of those who surrounded him with an ease that suggested that for Perry, unlike for Gingrich, this gathering was as familiar to him as those revivals his mother used to bring him to.
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Great debate for Perry. I hope he continues to improve. I still think the dems will paint him as another tx gov turned prez.
The dems aren’t going to anoint any GOP nominee.
I wasn’t thinking of anointment. Rather, I was thinking of oppositional strategy. .
The Left is always "smarter" but how has that worked out in their choices?
This is an interesting take.
Professor vs. Professor ……”This is where Gingrich comes in. Just as Kerry’s candidacy represented an attempt to effectively out-patriot George W. Bush (“You have a war president? We have a war hero!”), the former speaker has skillfully played to the Republican desire for a candidate who can finally outsmart and out-orate Obama.
His promise to challenge the president to a series of Lincoln-Douglas debates, in particular, has been deliberately framed as a kind of professor versus professor showdown, in which the president’s weaknesses will finally be exposed.
“How does a Columbia-Harvard graduate, who was the editor of the law review ... supposedly the best orator in the Democratic Party,” Gingrich asked recently, “how does he look himself in the mirror and say he’s afraid to debate a West Georgia College professor?” It’s a line that evokes a kind of conservative revenge fantasy, in which the liberal elitists who sneered at George W. Bush’s malapropisms and Sarah Palin’s “you betchas” receive their richly deserved comeuppance at the hands of Newton Gingrich, Ph.D.
But a fantasy is all it is. The American Spectator’s Quin Hillyer calls it “the fallacy of the master debater” — the belief that elections turn on dramatic rhetorical confrontations, in which the smarter and better-spoken candidate exposes his rival as a tongue-tied boob.
In reality, Kerry outdebated Bush but did not outpoll him, Al Gore won the 2000 debates on points only to lose them on personality, and Abraham Lincoln lost the Illinois Senate race to Stephen Douglas. When a presidential debate does matter to a campaign’s outcome, it’s usually a passing one-liner (Ronald Reagan’s “there you go again” Walter Mondale’s “where’s the beef?”) rather than a Ciceronian performance that makes the difference.
More important for the Republican Party’s purposes, it isn’t 2008 anymore, and conservatives don’t actually need to explode the fantasy of Obama’s eloquence and omnicompetence. The harsh reality of governing has already done that for them. Nobody awaits the president’s speeches with panting anticipation these days, or expects him to slay his opponents with the power of his intellect. Obamamania peaked with the inauguration, and it’s been ebbing ever since.”…..
The entire GOP has been unable to get in front of the dialogue. It’s time to stop blaming the mainstream media and time to bring out the big guns of truth. The left will easily invoke the tx governor legacy with Perry, they already have. He did fantastic in this debate, I simply question, not perry as much as the message only being preached to the choir. The frank discussion on the ss dust fund was refreshing, but not gaining traction. Same with Medicare. I think I will copyright social security “ dust fund”. Great job by Perrys prep team... Improved by leaps and bounds.
A lot to what you say.
They’re somewhat confined to what the moderators ask however and how it is spun and highlighted in the reporting.
I’ve heard little about Rick Perry’s turns at bat when he spoke on the Palestine question (and turned it on to Obama) and the other, the Washington connection to Wall Street as he highlighted his economic/jobs policy.
True... But why not produce one commercial and ask plainly.. The president said no ss checks without borrowing more money.. Where is the trust fund (dust fund). Where is the money stolen from each citizen to date.. Every dollar. They also fail to point out the almost instant decrease in unemployment in Alabama with the tough immigration law. So, either they want the citizens to lose, or they are deferring to some self interest.. Or they don’t want to win in order to maintain status quo.
Let me guess.. liberal and mainline Pastors “prayed “ with Newt .. that changes religion like he changes wives
Every time I hear this I think of the Catholic Bishops in California that think being illegal is just fine because the illegal Hispanics are filling empty seats in the Catholic Dioceses there..
i wonder if this position on "people in your church" is part of his catholic "conversion "
Kneeling, he was almost completely concealed by those surrounding him as Cataldo began the prayer.
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This right here ( above ) nearly brought me to tears and I felt a slight tremble... Holy Spirit perhaps ?
( ready for the “funny” remarks )
Gov. Perry spoke to this same group via satellite back on July 19, 2011 where he talked about the upcoming Response gathering he was planning in Houston. So to some degree they were aware of him and his Christian faith activities.
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