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To: Nervous Tick
Laws passed by politicians certainly AFFECT corporations and other groups. Given that, why should they NOT have the free speech right to influence campaigns?

Maybe a good point but organizations are made up of people with differing political views and therefore some will have their effort and or investment used to support a candidate not of their choice. Not fair.

6 posted on 12/08/2011 1:35:55 PM PST by Semper
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To: Semper

>> organizations are made up of people with differing political views and therefore some will have their effort and or investment used to support a candidate not of their choice. Not fair.

I disagree with your “Not Fair” characterization. I see three distinct cases.

1) Organizations you support voluntarily. (NRA, Sierra Club, etc) Presumably you belong because you *agree* with the group’s voice, including how it spends money to influence politics. If you ever stop agreeing with what the organization does with your money, you can always stop your dues and/or quit. Therefore, FAIR.

2) Businesses, especially Corporations. Where employees are concerned, these are NOT democracies! The corporation spends *lots* of money advancing its cause in various ways. It chooses vendors, employees, business strategies, etc. in accordance with its own principles (right or wrong). If the corporation spends money on a political campaign in a way that bothers an employee, tough cookies. The employee can, if they choose, react just as they would if the corporation hired someone they didn’t like: they can quit their job. Shareholders are a different matter; shareholders DO constitute a democracy of sorts, and THEIR remedy is to vote out management. Therefore, FAIR

3) Organizations that the GOVERNMENT requires you to belong to via coercion. The best example is a trade union in a closed shop state. It is NOT FAIR to force employees to belong to a union and pay it dues, and see that union support politics with which the employee disagrees. But SURPRISE! Federal law requires such unions to break down dues they spend betewen political and non-political purposes and REFUND dues to members who object to the political use. However, the law is not evenly enforced. Therefore, FAIR (by design) but POTENTIALLY UNFAIR (in practice).


10 posted on 12/08/2011 2:41:26 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Semper

>> organizations are made up of people with differing political views and therefore some will have their effort and or investment used to support a candidate not of their choice. Not fair.

I disagree with your “Not Fair” characterization. I see three distinct cases.

1) Organizations you support voluntarily. (NRA, Sierra Club, etc) Presumably you belong because you *agree* with the group’s voice, including how it spends money to influence politics. If you ever stop agreeing with what the organization does with your money, you can always stop your dues and/or quit. Therefore, FAIR.

2) Businesses, especially Corporations. Where employees are concerned, these are NOT democracies! The corporation spends *lots* of money advancing its cause in various ways. It chooses vendors, employees, business strategies, etc. in accordance with its own principles (right or wrong). If the corporation spends money on a political campaign in a way that bothers an employee, tough cookies. The employee can, if they choose, react just as they would if the corporation hired someone they didn’t like: they can quit their job. Shareholders are a different matter; shareholders DO constitute a democracy of sorts, and THEIR remedy is to vote out management. Therefore, FAIR

3) Organizations that the GOVERNMENT requires you to belong to via coercion. The best example is a trade union in a closed shop state. It is NOT FAIR to force employees to belong to a union and pay it dues, and see that union support politics with which the employee disagrees. But SURPRISE! Federal law requires such unions to break down dues they spend betewen political and non-political purposes and REFUND dues to members who object to the political use. However, the law is not evenly enforced. Therefore, FAIR (by design) but POTENTIALLY UNFAIR (in practice).


11 posted on 12/08/2011 2:41:42 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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