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To: Apollo5600

I see your denial continues. No matter what Newt does it will be wrong in your book. You are becoming a ridiculous caricature of yourself. I do note that Newt has signed the pledge and Cain hasn’t. Wanna bet what happens first - Cain signs a pledge to build a fence or drops out of the race? Actually, I’ll bet you come up with a reason why building a fence is a horrible idea. It has to be if Newt is for it, right? Yeah, until Cain says “good idea, Newt. Can I borrow your pen?”


8 posted on 12/01/2011 5:38:29 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

...Because apparently his positions on “legalization” can somehow be covered up by how he sugar coats it and pledges he signs? I mock it because it’s so transparent. He’s kissing up to us while at the same time holding a position that is utterly contradictory and unacceptable.

How about instead of trolling me around the forum, you tell me why we need to legalize these people to begin with? Why not ENFORCE the law, when we know that by doing this simple thing, illegals deport themselves? Why are we rewarding illegal behavior? And why do you believe that, somehow, only the illegals who have committed minor identity fraud and have been working for 25 years will be the only ones to get “legalized”?


15 posted on 12/01/2011 5:42:31 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: GLDNGUN

Newt on immigration
http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration

Newt’s solution
(My comments)

1. Control the border
…Round-the-clock drone flights to monitor activity, multi-layer, strategic fencing in urban areas, and vastly improved communication between state and federal authorities.
(So they can ground the drones whenever they want to)

2. Create a 21st Century Visa Program
…A biometric, tamper-proof card.
(let everyone in)

3. “In-source” the best brains in the world
…Allow easier transition from an F (student) visa to an H1-B (high-skill) visa.
…Allow qualified foreign students to transition immediately into the American workforce.
(Make it easier for foreign students to compete against Americans for jobs and keep wages down)

4. Allow foreigners, who want to spend money, invest and create jobs in America to do so.

(What he is saying here is to do away with the $1 million minimum investment required for an EB-5 program that allows foreigners to move here. Open business based on the foreigner’s skill to raise American capital, as long as he employees people for 10 years)

Also
…More consular staff and a video interview program… … to create more tourism jobs.

(Newt points out that we loose millions of tourist a year do to illegal immigration)

(Make it easier for the rich to retire in America)

5. There has to be a legal quest worker program, but its management must be outsourced to a sophisticated manager of anti-fraud systems, such as American Express, Visa, or Mastercard.

(Replace E-Verify for guest workers and pay corporations for providing biometric cards)

6. Create a path to earned legality for some of the millions of people who are here outside the law.

(Oh, there are only 8 to 12 million illegal aliens)

…”A citizens’ review” “in individual communities” to “determine who will continue on this path to legality, and who will be sent home.”
(to insure that communities remain segregated)

…”those here outside the law will be granted Temporary Legal Status”
(All of them, I repeat, All of them. Every illegal aliens will receive temporary legal status)

…”must be able to prove that they can independently pay for private health insurance”
…”proficiency in English within a certain number of years”
(Is he talking about those that have already been here 25 years? My neighbor wouldn’t qualify)

…”pay a penalty of at least $5,000”
(Each of their kids cost the taxpayer approximately $130,000 for kindergarten thru 12th grade)

…”prove on a regular basis that they can support themselves”

7. Deportation of criminals and gang members should be efficient and fast.
(Nothing about sanctuary cities)

8. Ensure that every new citizen and every young American learn American history and the key principles of American Exceptionalism.

9. English must be the official language of government.

10. Young non-citizens who came to the United States outside the law should have the same right to join the military and earn citizenship.

…there will not be an option to petition for legal status and citizenship for their parents…


26 posted on 12/01/2011 5:55:31 PM PST by Haddit (Heartless)
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To: GLDNGUN

Vote for the most conservative in the primaries and the Republican in the general.

If that is all we do, Obama will be gone in 2012.


27 posted on 12/01/2011 5:55:53 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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