Skip to comments.Cain and the black vote: wishful thinking (Blacks give Obama 91% approval rating today)
Posted on 11/25/2011 10:33:13 AM PST by TitansAFC
Herman Cain is at it again, making bold pronouncements that fly in the face of actual evidence to the contrary. This time in a seven-page mailer to Iowa Republicans, the flagging Republican front-runner lists a few reasons why he says he can win the GOP nomination for president.....
...Its that kind of delusional talk that reinforces the image I conjured up last week of Cain running for president of the Land of Make-Believe. Only there could he hope to surpass, let alone replicate, President Eisenhowers remarkable (by todays standards) electoral success with African Americans.
Keep something in mind about that 41 percent of blacks who cast a vote for Eisenhower. Thats 41 percent of blacks who COULD vote in 1956. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 did away with the discriminatory laws that blocked many African Americans from exercising their right to vote.
And then theres this. On Sunday, The Posts Chris Cillizza (a.k.a. The Fix) penned an article about how President Obamas base of support remains solid heading into 2012. Here are the three paragraphs that punch holes in Cains argument that he can lead the Republican party to victory with a large share of black votes.
At the heart of the presidents enduring strength among his base are African Americans who have never wavered in any meaningful way after 95 percent of black voters opted for the Illinois senator in 2008. In Gallups latest weekly tracking polling, Obamas job approval rating stands at 43 percent among the general public but is nearly double that 84 percent among African Americans. In the November NBC-WSJ poll, Obamas approval rating among black voters stood at a stratospheric 91 percent....
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
This is frustrating, to say the least, but a sad reality.
Obama will retain 95%+ of the black vote no matter who we nominate.
It’s a sad commentary on the average black voter but they are just democrat/obama to the core.
Cain’s wife will probably vote for Obama. She might vote for her husband but if he doesn’t make it, I’ll bet she and 99% of Cain’s fellow church members will vote Obama.
And there doesn’t seem to be a darn thing we can do about it. They just don’t get it.
People who have something to say should say it and not send us off on a wild link chase.
There are no words in the English language that can describe this condition.
A negative post about Cain by TitansAFC. As Gomer Pyle used to say, ‘Surprise, surprise, surprise.’
As I said, this is so damn frustrating that I cannot muster words to adequate describe how I feel.
How on EARTH does ANY demographic of ANY kind vote so homogenously? It’s a statistical impossibility, yet it happens EVERY election! GRrrrrr....
Not about Herman Cain; or rather, he is an ancillary character in this thread.
This is about the black vote and it’s inexplicable homogenousy.
No surprise there. But Obama (and MSNBC) has to get them enthused enough to vote.
However if the GOP ran a black FULL AMERICAN who happens to be conservative against a half-black half-African loser like Obama, we would have an interesting race. What would hispanics do of a Cain nominee kept telling them how Cain failed them? I cant imagine they would trust Romney or Newt.
Sometimes I think its because to not be for Obama would indirectly mean they'd have to take a stand against their own who are living off the government and that would meann they'd have to take care of their indigent families...which would affect their own lifestyles....and that's not just for the black population either...but all those who voted for Obama and his handouts.
A large percentage of jews also support Obama.
I often regard the back of the hand as ancillary.
OK , I screwed that one up, try:
However if the GOP ran a black FULL AMERICAN who happens to be conservative against a half-black half-African loser like Obama, we would have an interesting race. What would hispanics do if a Cain nominee kept telling them how Obama failed them? I cant imagine they would trust Romney or Newt.
To be honest, if we are looking to bring new voters in, we should do it in the Veep slot, no matter who we nominate. We should also focus on demographics that can be swayed to vote differently to some degree (Latinos, Women, et al).
We’re not getting more of the black vote, and it’s certainly not going to happen with Obama on the ballot.
Stupid is as stupid does.
We are talking about a people who actually willingly dress like prison inmates...
I mean, come on...
Conservatives will never get that vote. Blacks are looking for a FDR/JFK/LBJ expand Federal government type.
But they could repress that vote by going negative on Obama in their areas. Cain is a good person to do that.
That sounds logical.
I’ve read stories saying quite the opposite.
The chances of Mrs. Cain facing an Obama vs. Cain ballot are very slim. I fully expect for her to vote for Barry once again.
Have been saying that from the beginning. Obama would love to have Cain has an opponent. Anyone else will beat Obama.
The VP slot generally does a very poor job of pulling in new voters. (Palin may be the exception that proved the rule.) And that’s usually how even something as positive as a Reagan Revolution gets diluted by the follow-on of Bushian big government.
Here are some other numbers: On Jan. 1, 2009, the national black unemployment rate was 12.6 percent. When President Barack Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act a little over six weeks later, the black unemployment rate was 13.4 percent. As of 9/1/2011 it was 16%.
He is an awesome president if you're on welfare, though. If Cain can't attract the black vote, it's either because blacks are stupid or they're on welfare. Is that what Mr. Capehart would have us believe?
Lets stop with the “lots of blacks will vote for Cain because he’s black” thing. Many don’t directly say it, but underpinning Herman’s campaign is some conservative belief in this nonsense.
90-95% of blacks are going to vote for Obama just like they did last time around. Blacks may be utterly ignorant, but they aren’t stupid. They vote for Democrats because they support transfer payments, government favoritism and other freebies. At the heart of voting Democrat is the idea they are being put upon by the rest of society and deserve special government treatment to make things fair. Cain preaches the opposite and will not win their support. Blacks consider Cain a race traitor. Listen to black radio sometime to get an understanding of how much they detest Cain and people like him. We are going to get the same tiny percentage of the black vote no matter which Republican wins the nomination. I think it is even arguable we’d get LESS black votes if Cain was our candidate. Blacks are liable to resent having one of their own tell them the truth, which will make Obama’s pitch even more attractive to them.
That, too is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
Looks like the Newt Cult is in full scale panic mode. Unable to make a rational response to Newt stepping in it on Immigration, they resort to their standard SOP, personal attack, obfuscation and diversion.
Its called Racism.
See the elephant in the room yet? - the one that will destroy us?
The only race where racism is not allowed is the White race.
Everyone else applaudes racism, either unabashedly open, or under a different euphemism such as "pride."
Hispanics are pretty solid with La Raza. - The Race.
Would you say that Eric Holder is not an open racist?
Palin actually brought a chunk of female voters, but Obama brought more youth and black turnout than we could match.
Lieberman brought a lot of Jewish Republicans to the Democrat column in the 2000 election.
You can make a difference there, but you have to choose wisely and choose movable demographics.
And what would you have us believe? That Cain is uniquely suited to attract black votes because he's black? Wouldn't they be equally stupid for voting for a candidate only because he is of the same skin color?
Blacks vote Democrat because they want to continue believing the sorry state of their communities is other peoples fault. That is the Democratic message and it is extremely appealing to them. Blacks believe they are owed something, they believe in transfer payments, they believe in government preference, they believe in MORE affirmative action. There is absolutely no evidence available, polling or otherwise, that blacks have had a chance in heart. Cain would do just as bad among blacks as any other potential Republican nominee. This Cain campaign message that he can win 30% of the black vote is utterly ridiculous.
Legitimate criticism of Obama just strengthens his black solidarity and support.
Most blacks pay no attention to the facts or validity of criticism directed at Obama or his policies.
It is easier and more self-serving to just view it as racism.
WaPo polls are always so accurate.
Pray for America
Negrodamus was elected BECAUSE he was black.. ONLY because he was black...
If the black vote is not racist I don’t know what is..
Most all democrats and not a few republican women voted for Negrodamus..
He got the racist vote..
Literally the ONLY vetting of Negrodamus that happened was from the ranks of republican MEN(mostly).. not all republican women but still many of them.. were hornswoggled by Negrodamus.. the republican “blond” vote.. You know compassionate pseudo-conservatives..
This time I’m looking for the meanest SOB in the election cycle..
Which of course would be... Newt “the Devil” Gingrich...
Old Slewfoot, “Satan”.. Damocles.. Old Silver Tongue..
I want a contest between Negrodamus vs. Groinodamus..
Well, there are lies, statistics and polls. Take your pick, but consider the source.
Obama could borrow David Duke`s Grand Wizard garb, give a speech on how he perceived black voters to be slaves on the democrat plantation, and still get more than 90% of the black vote.
We will have to wait and see what actually happens if Herman Cain is our nominee, but I would be very surprised if he didn't get significantly more than 5% of the black vote.
Many blacks are devout Christians, many oppose abortion, many oppose gay marriage, and many are concerned about the rates of welfare dependency, criminality and out-of-wedlock childbirth among young blacks. What do Obama and the 'Rats offer blacks who hold these values?
Herman Cain is an honest, intelligent, hard-working, devout man who has made his own way through this world. He is a role model for all Americans.
Obama is a corrupt, incompetent punk and a charlatan.
Blacks who are moral, clear-thing people who value self-reliance and fair play will regard Herman Cain favorably as compared to Obama.
To think you have some mystic link into what black people will do over voting for Cain is ignorance, but the fact is if he peeled 5% of the black vote, obummer would lose bigger than moon-dale. If he lost 5 % of the vote and 5% stay home, he does not win in any of the 57 States.
“Blacks who are moral, clear-thing people who value self-reliance and fair play will regard Herman Cain favorably as compared to Obama.”
The 5% of Blacks who are moral, clear-thing people who value self-reliance and fair play will regard Herman Cain favorably as compared to Obama.
There...fixed it for you.
I think the truth delivered by somebody who has gone through the same experiences as the audience he’s addressing can have an effect that the same truth delivered by someone who hasn’t had those experiences cannot. He is uniquely suited because he experienced discrimination and yet chose to spend his life overcoming the odds instead of complaining about them. I’m not a Cain supporter, but his advantage with black audiences is obvious.
Which in effect makes them a non-issue.
The census states that Black/African-American people make up 12.1 to 12.6% of the populace.
In contrast, whites make up 69% of the population.
Voter turn out to oppose Obama will be key. If it is a given that 12% of voters will vote for Obama because he is Black, then the other demographics who oppose him MUST get out and vote. Then color will not be an issue.
Of course, there aren’t a lot of Jewish Republicans to begin with, but Bush got a higher % of the Jewish vote in 2000 than the GOP had had in 1992 or 1996:
(Even after 9/11, Bush only moved up from 19% to 24% of the Jewish vote in 2004.)
If anything, Cain will cause more hate amongst plantation blacks. The voting block that Cain can cut into is the white-guilt crowd. They will be looking for a way to vote against Obama while keeping true to their white-guilt values.
Cain presents an interesting paradox for black voters. Going up against Obama, Cain would certainly lose. But if the Democrats ditch Obama, Cain as a presidential or VP candidate would split the black vote.
That could win the presidency, and since the Republicans are likely to keep the House and recapture the Senate, being heavily favored in the election for the latter, whoever the Republican candidate would be able to start from a position of impressive power.
As did W. Bush, but hopefully not to squander it like he did. This is why it is especially important for conservatives to kick out as many of the remaining RINOs we can, as they will be by far the biggest obstacle to the conservative agenda.
They get it.
They're just racists.
Blacks just love being on the democRat plantation. They are, in my experience, the biggest racists on the block, too boot.
I think Cain can substanially reduce the black vote for Obama. He is still not very likely to get more than 10% of the black vote, but he could reduce the black turnout. What has Obama got to run on - his record? I don't think so. One of the few arrows he has in his quiver is that "whitey" is trying to defeat him because he is black. Even the leftist media is going to have trouble putting that over if the republican nominee is black.
When Obama ran, here in Maryland it was much remarked on that many blacks were voting for the first time because they wanted to finally have a black president. When random black voters were interviewed, they had no idea of what Obama's stands on the issues were - they were voting for a "black president". Now, the only way to get those same voters out again (now that they have finally had their black president) is to convince them that Obama might not get re-elected "because he is black". I think Cain would take the wind out of that sail.
Where I expect Cain would really pick up votes though is from sufferers of "white guilt" - it seems like a sizable portion of republican women voted for Obama and I think a major factor was so they could "prove" they weren't racists. Cain would take that out of play, and they might actually vote on the issues.
However, the continuing homogenous quality of the black vote continues to amaze me. More and more blacks are moving up in the world, moving into professional jobs and opening their own businesses. Why that portion of the black community still votes for democrats in such overwhelming majorities is just beyond my comprehension.
Obviously, you are racist for noticing < /s>
Whenever you rob Peter to pay Paul, you are going to be assured of Paul's vote in the next election.