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To: Java4Jay

Agreed. Partial deportation is more realistic, as well as hefty penalties for employers.

But folks are looking to bludgeon Newt, so don’t expect much thoughtful debate.


60 posted on 11/22/2011 8:18:54 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: TitansAFC
folks are looking to bludgeon Newt, so don’t expect much thoughtful debate.

I agree...so you have to wade thru the snarky comments before you can see where the issues might be from his plan. Even Newt has said not everything will work and why the committee to spot that when it becomes apparent something isn't going to work so they change the trajectory or scrub it altogether.

Newt also made it clear this was going to take time and that the people needed to be involved in it as well. It'll be interesting to see now how this flies with the media stroking all the jabs it can from this debate.

I don't think any candidate anticipates the power of the punches which comes once the media decides to fire their cannons.

For that matter FR has smoke filled rooms at everythread!

276 posted on 11/23/2011 12:18:56 AM PST by caww
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To: TitansAFC

Ronald Reagan gave blanket amnesty to over 2 million illegal immigrants in 1986. If Reagan were running for President as a Republican today, he wouldn’t pass the litmus test for ideological purity that is demanded of today’s GOP candidates. In fact, if you take into consideration that Reagan also signed the 1986 Machine Gun ban into law (the largest gun control act of the past 40 years), Ronnie would probably be derided as a “socialist liberal” by many on FR today.

There isn’t a single GOP candidate in this field who hasn’t made a remark that bucks the conservative trend in some way, shape or form. From Rick Perry’s support for in-state tuition for illegals to Herman Cain saying that abortion is a personal choice that shouldn’t be made by the government (and then flip-flopping when he caught flak for it), every one of the Republican candidates has at least one instance where they fail the litmus test. If some here are demanding 100% ideological purity, then be prepared to have an empty podium next to Obama during the general election debates because there will be no Republican candidate to fill it. There is no Republican candidate who is 100% ideologically pure, who is free of all imaginable flaws and hasn’t made a single gaffe.

Many Freepers insist on having the perfect candidate and won’t settle for anything less. I don’t get it. Tell me, where is this “perfect Republican” you all are dreaming of? I certainly don’t see one, at least not one who is running for President.


554 posted on 11/23/2011 1:44:53 PM PST by ak3647
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