False alarms over nat’l CCW legislation only help anti-gunners

Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 14 November, 2011 | Dave Workman

[marktwain]

This week, perhaps as early as Tuesday, the House of Representatives will vote on HR 822, the National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011, and hysteria about this legislation is not merely coming from the usual gun prohibitionist corners.

Incredible to some, perhaps, but one organization – the National Association for Gun Rights (NAGR) – is working just as hard as anti-gun Sen. Frank Lautenberg and Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy to derail the measure and get President Obama to promise a veto. Maybe harder. Why?

An e-mail from NAGR says this:

Once gun owners let the Obamacrats start mandating whether states recognize permit reciprocity, they will want to mandate what it takes to get and keep those permits. We’re talking about:

· More onerous standards to acquire a permit so that only FBI agents can pass muster (look at New York’s permit system);

· Higher fees;

· More training requirements;

· A demonstration of “Need” for a permit;

· More frequent renewal periods;

· Federally-mandated waiting periods;

· A national database of all permit holders, accessible by Attorney General Eric Holder;

· An extensive, federally-created list of Criminal Safezones, where only criminals will carry and where law-abiding gun owners are vulnerable;

The list of potential problems is endless.

However, a look at the actual legislation reveals that no such language can be found anywhere in the text. Read for yourself. You be the judge.

While H.R. 822 is hardly a perfect measure, it is – according to others in the gun rights community – a definite step in the right direction. What state-level concealed carry reform measure in the past 20 years was perfect from the beginning? Advances have been made in Michigan, Minnesota, Florida and elsewhere,

[marktwain]

The perfect is the enemy of the good. We cannot achieve everything in one step. Incrementalism is working for us. Momentum is with us. We are winning.

[12Gauge687]

Very true. Young women who were once anti-gun are now coming around. I was part of a shooting class for women; we started on the skeet range and will soon move to sporting clays. We had one instructor per three students. In the winter, we are going to offer handgun classes. The encouraging thing is that all classes are sold out.

[Erik Latranyi]

I know many Class III owners. It is always fun to watch their opinions change when you talk about repeal of the 1986 Machine Gun Ban.

If repealed, the value of all Class III weapons would drop overnight. People who paid $5000+ for an M16 would see the value drop under $1000 with a repeal.

So many firearm owners care more about themselves than about what is right.

[DakotaGator]

I read HR 822. The only thing I took exception to was the GAO audit provision. Saw no reason for it other than to meddle. Called my Congress-critter's office and voiced my opinion that the audit provision should be removed.

Just so I make myself clear, this is not a matter of States’ Rights. The States have no rights in this matter, nor does the Federal Government. Only “We The People” have rights in this matter.

The Second Amendment applies and is absolute. All restrictions on the right to Keep and Bear Arms are un-Constitutional.

[The KG9 Kid]

Most of the NFA owners I know with personal inventory at modern inflated values say frequently that they'd celebrate the Hughes Amendment to the 1986 FOPA going away. The discussion comes up frequently in the community, but few think it will be repealed.

If you think it will be repealed, then you ought to be buying just about every single demilled parts kit you come across. Those will skyrocket in value overnight when the day comes that they can be constructed into transferables by any C7-SOT. Most collectors think that you could add an extra zero onto the price of many parts kits and they'll still be a snap-up bargain should the Hughes Amendment be repealed.

[Prokopton]

The Second Amendment applies and is absolute. All restrictions on the right to Keep and Bear Arms are un-Constitutional.

Then you must oppose this Federal law controlling the use of firearms?

[marktwain]

DakotaGator wrote:
I read HR 822.

Thank you for your thought-full reply. It is this sort of informed response that makes freerepublic such a valuable resource!

[marktwain]

I have a CCW business that I have run for 15 years. Part of my purpose was to reach constitutional carry in Arizona, where the State and Federal Constitutions were enforced about their provisions for carrying arms. We are about 95 percent of the way there in Arizona.

Even though the law may destroy my CCW business, I never waivered in supporting the march toward consitutional carry. I taught it, I advocated for it, I supported it with scarce money, resources and time.

I consider myself a capitalist with morals. That is the system that has made this country great.

[DakotaGator]

No. I support returning to Constitutional Carry. I view HR 822 as a protective step in this direction as long as the GAO Audit provision is removed and no other provision is added.

That being said, it is my opinion that all infringements on The People's right to keep and bear arms should be eliminated as un-Constitutional. But that can only effectively be done by a phased dismantling of the web of onerous restrictions statists have imposed under color-of-law.

Effective dismantling would start with the worst laws leaving the protective laws, such as proposed by HR 822, in-place. Once the worst laws are removed the final removal of the protective laws would be accomplished leaving the only real law, the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Americans are faced with stopping and then reversing well-entrenched infringements on a Constitutional Right, “to keep and bear arms”. HR 822 is an attempt to stop further infringements while the evil web of existing infringements is picked apart.

So yes, I guardedly support HR 822 as long as the GAO Audit provision is removed and nothing else added. But I ultimately want all these infringements to be eliminated.

[DakotaGator]

Thank you. Though I don't expect all to agree with my opinions, I try to make them worth considering. Freerepublic is a great forum for this.

I salute you for your long-term and continuing CCW efforts. It is the few such as you who make all the difference between liberty and slavery!

[marktwain]

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