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Who Believes Herman Cain? (Here's what the polls tell us...)
New York Times ^ | 11/09/2011 | Charles M. Blow

Posted on 11/09/2011 2:04:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: federal__reserve

WOW!!!! Good points. Signed and sealed. More importantly, clear. Nice post.


21 posted on 11/09/2011 3:03:40 PM PST by Republic (SO-uhbama sought help from romney MA healthcare authors? DUMP ROMNEY, no way will he kill obamacare.)
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To: federal__reserve
There are 5 allegations. 3 of them are anonymous. 4th is from Chicago who has bankruptcies, paternity suits, in her bio and lives in the same building as Axelrod. 5th is now working in Obama admin, and has history of filing complaints at other jobs.

I have read a lot about this but I am very confused! I believe, the “5th” woman you are referring to was originally one of the 3 anonymous women, but someone “outed” her. It is also possible that the “4th” women may also have been one of the anonymous women. Supposedly two of the anonymous women got severeness settlements and one did not. The one that didn't get a settlement was supposedly from Chicago and named “Sharon”. But her story was more about being “stiffed” on an $800 dollar bottle of wine than “sexual harassment”. Sharon Bialek refused to answer when asked if she contacted the outed woman's attorney. So I am pretty sure that there are currently only three of four woman making complains not five.

22 posted on 11/09/2011 3:10:25 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Shame on you for posting this with no caveat.

You have bought into the liberal, MSM meme which is “is he guilty?”

You needed to post, along with this poll, that these polls should not be of import. So what if the allegations are true? We need to school the general public that just because the media decides to publicize accusations of sex issues of republicans does not mean we can’t vote for them!!!

It’s BS!!

How many papers or MSM sources published Larry Sinclair’s affidavit about his oral sex with Obama and Obama’s purchase and use of crack cocaine??

You people need to understand how just repackaging THEIR stories without warning your readers not to fall for THEIR slant just helps THEM.

If we don’t support Cain, whether we believe him or not, we do not then get a magic non-adulterer as president. We get a man who might be unfaithful with a man, in the white house!

So be careful how you read and post MSM articles. Do not fall for their slant. Control the story!


23 posted on 11/09/2011 3:16:33 PM PST by Yaelle (Just Say "So?" to allegations against Herman Cain. Don't let them choose our candidate.)
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To: fireman15

My order of listing is not necessarily same as how they have surfaced. So, you could be right on that. All I know is there are 5 women alleging. If any one of them comes forward who is believable to me, I could stop my support of Herman Cain. Until then, I refuse to dump our best candidate based on left wing attacks without a scintilla of evidence.


24 posted on 11/09/2011 3:17:50 PM PST by federal__reserve (Dr. Paul Volcker, the best Chairman of federal Reserve in half a century.)
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To: Yaelle

RE: Shame on you for posting this with no caveat

And why should I be ashamed? People are intelligent or stupid enough to draw their own conclusions. I can’t make decisions for anyone, only for myself.

If the MSM wants to believe he is guilty, I can do nothing about it. I go by the evidence, which in effect shows almost nothing that indicates that Cain is guilty.


25 posted on 11/09/2011 3:20:06 PM PST by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess I am of the 46%...the 24% are just plain stupid. :) Does this mean I can go occupy Chick fil a and get a crack shake? (peppermint mocha)


26 posted on 11/09/2011 3:28:07 PM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: Yaelle

This is a discussion board and we’re capable of making up our own minds. As I already commented, the importance of these polls is to show that their attacks are not working.


27 posted on 11/09/2011 3:28:44 PM PST by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe him.


28 posted on 11/09/2011 3:33:09 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I did a poll with 2 woman who are black and voted for Hussein.One said he should step down.She loves the H and he is her Mac Daddy.Not my words but her’s.The other said he should fight and the girls are lying.


29 posted on 11/09/2011 3:43:36 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: Hugin
Pretty much nailed it. 'Rats think he's guilty, Pubbies think he's innocent. All the news that's fit to print.
30 posted on 11/09/2011 3:44:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: fireman15
I believe your analysis is right.

Just like the DEMS they like to spin the numbers to their advantage.

I also believe out of whatever number it is, one still remains anonymous and no word about her opinion on the matter.

If there is a Lynch Herman Cain Accuser Presser I hope any women who have worked for Herman Cain come forward and start a Herman Cain is a Decent Man Presser!

Bring it on ladies!

STAY STRONG HERMAN.....WE GOT YOUR BACK!

31 posted on 11/09/2011 3:45:11 PM PST by not2worry
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To: Enterprise
My sense is that a lot of women, regardless of political affiliation, DO NOT like Buy A Lick. They have seen women like her before and they abhor her

I suspect you are right. The only women who haven't scoped out this skank in the first ten seconds are other skanks just like her. Hence the polling disparity between 'rat women and normal women.

32 posted on 11/09/2011 3:48:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind
When all anonymous accusations, the allegations could cost Cain 1/3 of Republican leaning voters.

It'd be more interesting to see polling after faces came out.

Even false, the allegations themselves could easily kill him in the general knowing this will be a tight election for Republicans at best.

33 posted on 11/09/2011 3:48:36 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama.)
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To: stickywillie
The XIX Amendment and the Depression of 1920 both occurred in 1920. Coincidence?...
34 posted on 11/09/2011 3:52:33 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind
I believe that an election is like a public trial - the candidate publicly presents his case and the American people basically say “innocent” or “guilty” - vote for or against. I think these kind of issues in the midst of a political campaign probably also has to be "tried" in the public forum as well. I was a Palin fan and have been a Cain fan but I've got a couple of problems.

Now I know this Bialek lady has her issues, but I'm not voting for her. Before a day or two ago, I was screaming for Cain to challenge this lady on specifics. Well, looks like she got pretty specific: she named a specific night, in the late 1990’s, and specifically what he did. According to her, Cain upgraded her to a hotel suite, had some drinks with her, took her to the national headquarters in a car, parked down the street, and then reached under her skirt and pushed her heard down towards his crouch. When she told him to stop, she says he said, "You want a job don't you?" According to her, when she continued to resist, he then drove her back.

1) My question is this: Cain said last night basically there's no truth to any of these accusations. But Herman, then tell us, the American people where were you that night? Is she lying about meeting you or the hotel upgrade or the drinks or the car ride? Are all of these lies? If so, then Mr. Cain should be very specific about what the truth is. "None of these alleged incidents happened" doesn't cut it for me. He needs to be specific.

2) Cain says he doesn't know who this lady is. Yet a month ago there's at least one witness who verifies that Bialek went up and talked to Cain for about three minutes at a Tea Party convention. The witness (Jacobson) says, “It looked sort of flirtatious,” said Jacobson. “I mean they were hugging. But she could have been giving him the kiss of death for all I know. I had no idea what they were talking about, but she was inches from his ear.” There’s also a picture of him and her with his arm around her. Yet Cain says he doesn’t know who she is? I have a problem here too.

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/sharon-bialek-herman-cain-accuser-bialek-hugged-cain-at-tea-party-event-schaumburg-renaissance-hotel-and-convention-center/

35 posted on 11/09/2011 4:09:47 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok, I didnt mean literal shame. But it is difficult even for us conservatives not to be drawn in to the mainstream frame of “if he did grope, you must not vote.”

That is not true.

If someone chooses not to vote for Cain because he might have been improper, they are casting their vote by inaction for a man whose past sexual stories include murder to cover up gay affairs. In plural. Two gay men from his church murdered as he campaigned in 08.

There are no choir boys running. Maybe mitt is one, but he won’t beat Obama.


36 posted on 11/09/2011 4:57:59 PM PST by Yaelle (Just Say "So?" to allegations against Herman Cain. Don't let them choose our candidate.)
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To: PapaNew

Let’s look at the charges one by one:

1) she named a specific night, in the late 1990’s,

WHAT WAS THE DATE AND APPROXIMATE TIME? If you don’t know then, she was not specific enough.

2) According to her, Cain upgraded her to a hotel suite,

NAME THE HOTEL... What was its name? If you don’t know then, she was not specific enough.

And the hotel has a name, we can sure look at the hotel logs from the time she said her room was upgraded. Lets’ see the evidence.

3) had some drinks with her,

What was the name of the restaurant? If you don’t know she was not specific enough.

Did Cain use his credit card to pay for the dinner? Surely we have records from the credit card firm. Let’s see it.

4) took her to the national headquarters in a car, parked down the street, and then reached under her skirt and pushed her heard down towards his crouch. When she told him to stop, she says he said, “You want a job don’t you?” According to her, when she continued to resist, he then drove her back.

This is where the script gets suspicious. We are led to believe that Cain is so dumb that he can’t even wait to make a move on her back in the hotel room ( whatever the name is ) and he had to do it in a CAR where they can be possibly SEEN by random passersby or even police...

And she said he forced her head into his crotch ( he is on the driver’s seat remember? ), and then instead of quickly getting the hell out of the car after it happens ( like most women would do if they experience an assault), she asks him to DRIVE her back to the hotel?

Sorry, the story does not compute. As scripts go, it is not even credible.


37 posted on 11/09/2011 5:04:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Yaelle

Let’s put it this way, WE OUGHT TO BE SELECTING THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE. PERIOD.

we should not let a “He said, she said” scenario ( especially one with little evidence ) distract us from voting for the right person.

I voted for Bush over Kerry, NOT because of Kerry’s alleged lie about his combat service in Vietnam, but because he is the worse of the two candidates.


38 posted on 11/09/2011 5:10:00 PM PST by SeekAndFind (u)
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39 posted on 11/09/2011 6:05:49 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Enterprise
Buy A Lick is the type of woman who couldn't get laid in a gigolo house with a fistful of dollars.
40 posted on 11/10/2011 7:52:37 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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