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To: surroundedbyblue

“In the Carpenter home, every meal begins with a prayer. Robin and his wife, Emily, are devout Christians. But they part ways with many other Christians over a measure that would expand the legal definition of human life.

Their son, Luke, now 4 years old, was born through in vitro fertilization.”

If they’re “devout” Christians, why did that go the IVF route? Perhaps this is the fault of their pastor.

“We need to have the same rights to have a family as anybody else does.”

Where in either the Bible or the Constitution is this “right to have a family”?


3 posted on 11/08/2011 9:31:44 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Well, you might try Genesis, where God told Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply...”

Of course, that only applies to people who look like me and share my moral/religious philosophy.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 9:36:46 AM PST by ixtl ( You live and learn. Or you don't live long.)
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To: ReformationFan

“If they’re “devout” Christians, why did that go the IVF route? Perhaps this is the fault of their pastor.”

Some people take the parts that they like from the Bible and disregard the rest. God have mercy on their souls. Their child was conceived in gross sin in my understanding. They can turn to Jesus and repent and be forgiven. Perhaps they will be blessed with a natural conception afterwards.

All said, they have a child now, I bet before they had that one they would have been grateful for only one. Greedy natures are sinful and do not produce good Spiritual fruit.

So they think the abortion mills should stay open so they can expand their little family. If they read this thread I pray it will open their eyes.

As a personal note, I have no children but God still blesses my life. They are not essential to salvation.


16 posted on 11/08/2011 10:03:51 AM PST by Tomato lover (Jesus is the way, the truth and the light)
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To: ReformationFan

It is when things get applied to us personally that the rubber hits the road.

If we believe that human life begins at conception, we should not be doing in vitro stuff, even if we desperately want kids - at least at this juncture, because, as I understand it, many people in the embryonic stage of development are killed or frozen during the procedure.

Yes, even if it means never getting to be pregnant. It is a bit of a sacrifice.

I personally believe that couples who can’t get pregnant and desire children are being providentially called to adopt. I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it. There are children out there who need parents.

People are against abortion until their daughter gets pregnant, they have a baby in the womb with a defect, or they want in vitro with all of its negatives. Then, they get iffy.

Just like we tend to be against welfare until we qualify, hard on criminals until someone we love gets in trouble, etc.

It is all hypocrisy, and we need to call it out.


27 posted on 11/08/2011 10:48:03 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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