Posted on 11/06/2011 4:04:13 AM PST by markomalley
Two thoughts besides the obvious:
1) Paterno and Sandusky supposedly did not have a good relationship with each other.
2) I’m no legal expert, and I’m still trying to wrap my head around what exactly happened. However, in reading a Penn State message board that is anti-Paterno in general (scout.com’s penn state football board), it seems like most of the people on the site think Paterno did what he was supposed to do and can not be blamed.
3) I have read that it is common for former coaches to have offices on campus. I am not sure how accurate that is, though.
“A lot of University officials are at fault here, but I have no reason to believe Paterno is one of them.”
Did you read the grand jury report linked by mewzilla? You are in denial because you admire JoePa. This is typical in child abuse cases. How could JoePa know and not do anything? Well he didn’t stop it after one of his coaches reported the rape of a child to him. A lot of more kids got abused after 2002 because no one at PSU reported it to the police. That includes the coach, JoePa and all the administrators involved up to the President.
Not only did they not stop it they made no attempt to identify the victim of a child rape. That is the most damning fact of all.
And is anyone wondering if Mike McCreary got his job because he kept his mouth shut? Because I sure as heck am.
Joe Paterno legacy = covering up child sexual abuse.
First, I know you are being a stereotypical blind reactionary, but I will tell you again that a) I read the last report in its entirety and b) I don’t care for Paterno either personally or as a coach. I am being objective.
Paterno was told in 2002 about the rape of a boy that was witnessed by a graduate assistant. Paterno took these secondhand allegations seriously enough that he met personally with both the AD and the head of the police to notify them about the actions of an individual who was no longer an employee. Why Paterno was even involved is beyond me - he’s a football coach, not an LEO, Nonetheless, he reported it to both a University official and the head of the University police. Was he supposed to conduct an investigation on his own?
You are incorrect to say that Paterno didn’t report the incident because he did. This was made clear in the report - a lengthy investigation that found no fault in Paterno (who testified). Additionally, going on memory (I have no desire to read it again), the majority of the assaults (perhaps all of them) took place before 2002, not after. Any fault would be placed on Curley and Schultz, who were notified by Paterno but did not take the proper action. I have no idea what you’re even bleating about, unless you’re demanding that Joe should’ve taken care of Sandusky himself with a 12 gauge.
While this was going on, I'd call the police and tell them Sandusky was sodomizing a ten-year-old boy in the shower.
About ten minutes later, I'd have the players call the paramedics to tell them that Sandusky had apparently fallen in the shower.
When the police showed up and met the paramedics, they'd figure it out.
Let's see if the libs get as upset at Penn State as they do at Catholic Churches; and let's start looking CAREFULLY at *ALL* organizations for "at-risk" kids.
NO cheers, unfortunately.
The world is full of the actions and inactions of man that I do not understand. Sandusky was not allowed to bring his youth program participants on campus, but continued to enjoy emeritus status and was a continued presence on campus. I've wondered whether Joe Paterno wondered about that and whether Paterno asked the AD about it.
And it hurts to wonder about it, because I respect Paterno greatly.
I had not read this. Please don't take offense, but I always like to verify. Do you have a source? I may have missed it in an article.
Maybe you should correct your slander.
The graduate assistant came to Joe Paterno's house one morning to tell him that Sandusky had a ten-year old kid up against the wall of a shower and was engaged in "rhythmic" anal sex with him, and Paterno waited until the next day to notify the AD?
Say it ain't so, Joe.
This, even though the graduate assistant spoke with JoePa in person, met with Curley and Shultz in person, and received a call from Curley, all about the rape?
Sounds like a . . . really thorough investigation by Penn State.
9:30 p.m. The graduate assistant, who knows Sandusky, goes to put some new sneakers in his locker and pick up recruiting tapes. He hears rhythmic slapping sounds that he believes are of a sexual nature. He finds a naked ten-year-old boy and a naked Sandusky in a shower stall. The boy has his hands against the wall and is being anally raped by Sandusky. The boy and Sandusky see him. The graduate student calls his father from the building. He father says "come home." I don't know how late it is, but the two decide that Joe Pa needs to know, promptly.
The graduate assistant calls JoePa the next morning and goes to JoePa's home.
Am I to understand from the above posts that JoePa already knows this guy molests kids?
Joe Pa hears the story - we don't know exactly what JoePa is told.
JoePa waits until the next day to call the AD, Curley, and says Sandusky was fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a boy. Somehow, it appears the word "anally raping" are lost in translation. If the graduate assistant spoke of rhythmic anal rape, the JoePa lost something in translating that to fondling.
Curley and Schultz wait a week and a half to contact the graduate student. They met. The grad student says he told them "anal rape."
A couple of weeks later, Curley calls the grad student and says "we've taken away Sandusky keys and reported him to The Second Mile." The University Police never contact the grad student.
Curley says that the grad student only told them that there was 'inappropriate behavior" and "horsing around" that made the grad student "feel uncomfortable" (at this point, I'm hoping when I was little and my mother would call from the kitchen, "you kids quit horsing around in there", that some of my friends were actually anally raping me). Curley says the grad student was asked if there was any sexual activity of any kind and the grad student twice said "no." Curley also said that, when asked if there was any anal sex between Sandusky and the boy, the grad student said 'no."
Here's the question: If JoePa only referred to fondling or something of an inappropriate nature, and the grad student only referred to horsing around, why would Curley specifically ask about anal sex? Is that what is normally though of when the term "horsing around" is used at Penn State?
Schultz remembers that Sandusky might have grabbed a boy's genitals while wrestling with him - at least that's what he remembers from his meeting with Curley and Paterno.
Paterno, Curley, and Schultz need to learn to communicate with each other, when 'anal rape' becomes "fondling" becomes "horsing around" becomes "wrestling."
This went all the way up to the PSU president. They were all guilty of the coverup. Everyone of them had a legal responsibility to ensure it was reported to the police.
Additionally, there was 1998 event with Sandusky that was recorded by the university police. Apparently Schultz didn't properly cleanse the police records as now he is surprised that there is a written report.
They all knew the dude was a child molester for years BEFORE the 2002 event and they all knew that he was still out there molesting kids. They still welcomed a known child molester to their facilities.
Then all did what they were to do. They passed it up to the PSU (then and current) president and he did nothing. They all saw that nothing happened so it was business as usual. Sandusky is one of our pals and we will let him keep on molesting kids.
There was a 1998 event that was investigated by the campus police. Do I have to mention that the campus police report to one of the dudes that has been charged with perjury?
Bottom line ... NOBODY DID NOTHING. Joe knew this. Joe assisted in the coverup allowing this guy to molest children for decades.
Up to and including the then and now PSU president Spanier.
Respectfully, that's not what the Grand Jury Presentment says. There was no immediate reporting by Paterno, and Paterno didn't involve the police. Joe Paterno spoke with the graduate assistant on a Saturday morning and then immediately met with the graduate assistant in JoePa's home.
Joe Paterno waited until Sunday to contact AD Curley, and only AD Curley.
Also, the graduate assistant apparently reported anal rape to Paterno; Paterno apparently reporting fondling or inappropriate sexual contact to Curley.
He took away Sandusky's keys for anally raping a ten-year-old boy in the Penn State showers.
That's even tougher than Double Secret Probation.
Guys? I REALLY meant to write "weren't actually anally raping me". I promise. Really. I've got to start proofing this stuff.
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