Posted on 11/05/2011 7:29:03 PM PDT by boatbums
It's folly to think Iraq could be won. We set them up with a constitution based on Sharia. We made it worse for the remaining Christians. We pissed away a lot of our wealth on social improvements. Iraq is a folly. Always was and always will be. This one is Bush's fault.
The respectable way to treat Islamic nations who act against us is to sink their navies, bomb their airfields, and destroy their mechanized units all from the air. Use them as target practice. Don't spend anything on helping them to rebuild. Just weaken those in power so they have to fight for their lives against civil unrest. Let them kill each other off. In more extreme cases, give them the Carthage treatment.
I agree with every word. Thanks.
Very good perspective.
Maybe, maybe not. As the article goes on to say, The military recommended nearly 20,000 troops, considerably fewer than our 28,500 in Korea, 40,000 in Japan and 54,000 in Germany. The president rejected those proposals, choosing instead 3,000 to 5,000 troops. We seem to be "staying forever" in other countries in order to look after our interests. It seems Obama doesn't care about that. The meager few thousand troops left there will likely be spending all their time defending themselves from "insurgent" attacks rather than helping a country establish democratic reforms. I remember very well the purple ink stained fingers and the broad smiles of the Iraqi people when the got to vote in a REAL election for the first time in four decades. It brought me to tears. It also made me appreciate the rights we seem to take for granted. Rights this President is hacking away at day by day.
It's telling that the current Kurdish leader, Massoud Barzani, - for two decades the staunchest of U.S. allies - visited Tehran to bend a knee to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. What choice did they have? If America is not going to look out for them, the only other "protection" out there IS Iran. Obama took the thousands of American and Allied lives lost in this war and the tens of BILLIONS of dollars spent in Iraq since the start and, for another "campaign promise" to be checked off the to-do list, tossed them all into the trash bin of history. Something Liberals seem to think shows "progress". I call it treason and cowardice. Please, God, let America survive "progress".
That use to make me so mad I'd scream at the TV and demand he call them out for calling him a liar. But, he never did and I believe that is his downfall.
Neocon foreign policy lost.
Right on.
umm... fault? it’s not usually considered your ‘fault’ when you obtain the goal you desired
iraq being run by the mooselim bro-hood is a victory for 0failure
he’s had one victory after another. as he said, he’s made all the right moves.
it’s your fault for mistaking his goals
News coverage for the last year or so by people who aren't total MSM liardrones, indicates the Iraqis are on the same page and pretty much get it.
If we had kept a few people there, it would have been less for "training" than as a tag on the IRGC mouth-breathers across the border.
We didn't waste our time. "Training" can take place in Saudi, Jordan, Qatar, wherever. We don't have to have guys hanging out waiting for a Sadr Brigade truck bomber to drive up. Everyone should take a chill pill. This can be worked out (Obozo won't want to work out, but that's another problem, all ours).
Amen....Chuck will still vote for Obama if a Christian is the candidate for our side.
I know exactly what you mean. It’s a big game, I’m coming to beleive.
The idea of nation building Iraq into a pro western democracy was a utopian fantasy from the very start. It’s an idea promoted by half-baked Western elites who make an idol out of democracy, insisting that democracy is the messiah that will bring peace to the world.
The underlying Islamic culture will always dominate Iraq. Giving it a democratic veneer is meaningless, unless you believe that having Iraq’s Muslims vote to oppress their Christians and other religious minorities is a rousing success.
Once we tire of spending the lives of our military and money that we borrow from the Chinese we will leave, whether that’s now or 50 years from now. Islam will still be there waiting to reassert itself with an internecine struggle for dominance between the Shia and Sunni.
What does work is finding authoritarian leaders who we can work with in Islamic countries, and supporting them. And even then we need to be wary. None of this will be of any consequence if the idea of a Caliphate spreads throughout the Umma.
It won’t be too long before those people with the purple thumbs begin seeking asylum. And I wouldn’t blame the a bit.
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