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A Pack of Nonsense: Will GOP 2012ers Get Serious?
NYPost ^ | October 26, 2011 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 10/26/2011 9:50:44 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: Steelfish
Where’s the gravity?

Maybe the reality show diva who quit her job as governor chased away most of the serious candidates.

21 posted on 10/27/2011 12:00:48 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: newzjunkey

As for the author’s critique of the Perry plan, it is spot on.

I have been posting from the get-go that we need bold and Perry’s “optional” plan in UN-bold. It is weaselly.

And leaving the old Fedzilla tax code in place is just despicably insulting. I have detailed my substantive objections to this scheme elsewhere.

Finally, the Perry plan does nothing to accomplish what is really at stake at this point in history: much more than economic revival, we must act to preserve our freedom!

Perry’s plan does nothing to make more nontaxpayers into taxpayers. Without that, no matter how many goodies you get under his “flat” tax (and he’s been VERY generous with the jellybeans), we are still going to shortly be outnumbered by the takers. At that point, GAME OVER.


22 posted on 10/27/2011 12:05:38 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: CSI007

Dittos....


23 posted on 10/27/2011 12:07:27 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Steelfish

Podwhore is a 1%’er hardcore Socialist. Invest in guillotines.


24 posted on 10/27/2011 12:07:48 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: SoConPubbie

So he didn’t criticize Perry on every last breath he’s made? So what.

The author wrote a scathing take-down of what really matters at this moment in Perry’s campaign: his newly released, big, name-in-lights “flat” tax plan.

It stinks. The author said so in overwhelming turns.

I don’t see how the fact that he didn’t criticize everything else there may be to criticize about Perry is relevant to anything except time and space limitations in the New York Post.


25 posted on 10/27/2011 12:09:10 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: CSI007

A writer for the NYPost who hasn’t gotten a paying gig in Washington since Bush Sr was elected is an “insider?”


26 posted on 10/27/2011 12:12:20 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SoConPubbie

My apology for sounded harsh. But yeah, the current candidates have so many holes that journalists can cherry pick whichever fit their arguments. I’m not for Perry, as I’m still deciding, but I start to see having too many debates probably are not that beneficial for the eventual Republican nominee. There are just too many things that journalists can harvest.


27 posted on 10/27/2011 12:12:51 AM PDT by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: Steelfish

Why so many on this thread so far insist we read the whole article? So he doesn’t like Perry’s tax plan. Are the reasons he doesn’t like them better than anyone else’s reasons? Not really. Cain, Perry and Romney all fail the cut cap and balance test. We don’t just need revenue neutral, we need to cut $1.5 trillion in annual spending.


28 posted on 10/27/2011 12:21:21 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: paudio
My apology for sounded harsh. But yeah, the current candidates have so many holes that journalists can cherry pick whichever fit their arguments. I’m not for Perry, as I’m still deciding, but I start to see having too many debates probably are not that beneficial for the eventual Republican nominee. There are just too many things that journalists can harvest.

I'm just the opposite concerning the debates.

As has been shown in Perry's case, it causes the candidates to have to think on their feet and get away from their carefully polished Fake PR created facades.

Perry's real weakness on the Illegal Alien issue was uncovered as a result of the debates, that alone has been worth everything negative that may have/may not have come from the left-wing journalists.

We need a conservative leader, not a pretend conservative leader who parses his words on issues that are important to conservatives.
29 posted on 10/27/2011 12:22:10 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: paudio

The media will always be anti-GOP/anti-conservative. There are 50 things with which to paint the Obama admin. They recklessly spend other people’s money. They haven’t improved job market. First time ever we see a downgrade of our credit rating. They ruthlessly violate 4th amendment rights by stripping grandma at the airport.They sell guns to drug gangs who kill Americans. They sold out our allies in the Middle East. They gave $500 million to a solar startup that everyone knew would go broke just by looking at the 18 other solar companies out there. And on and on.

They want to complain our candidate has too little experience? Well compared to what we are experiencing now, I am pretty sure that is a good thing.


30 posted on 10/27/2011 12:27:30 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: SoConPubbie

Oh, I’m not against debates. I agree that debates help us to decide. I just think there are too many of them. IIRC, there are still 13 debates in the future? Which means there are a total of about 20 something? I’d prefer to have at most 10 debates, with at least half of them are dedicated to certain areas, such as economic situation, foreign policy, immigration, and so on. That way, we can get more time for each issue, candidates are forced to shape their views on those areas, and not just journalists throwing things at them.


31 posted on 10/27/2011 2:16:26 AM PDT by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: Steelfish
(Cain) speaks dismissively of the notion that a presidential candidate ought to know something about foreign policy.

Nonsense. Cain said he didn't know what the 'right of return' was - so "I went to school" and boned up on it. He said he will have a team of experts who know the details inside and out, but that a president's job is to have a larger vision and LEAD.

32 posted on 10/27/2011 3:48:03 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Steelfish
Herman Cain now leads in at least one major poll. He released his first TV commercial on Monday. In it, his campaign manager talks about how different the campaign is, then lights up a cigarette and exhales the smoke in a curlicue. Next comes a shot of Cain smiling devilishly. It’s impossible not to like Cain. But this ad is a humiliating embarrassment.

John, it is not a TV commercial, it was shot for the internet and the TV cable newzies went berserk, then gave Herman thousands of dollars worth of free ad time.

Cain and his supporters are not embarrassed, in fact, I gave him another donation.

I smoked for 55+ years and my wife still smokes and as far as I know, it is legal.

John, go write an article about Israel because you know something about that, and don't tell the pubbie candidates how you think they should act.

Piss off, mate.

33 posted on 10/27/2011 4:21:03 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: Steelfish

**** you john podhoretz... you commie whore scumbag slave to the progressive disease in DC!

LLS


34 posted on 10/27/2011 4:38:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Steelfish

Here is the well known neocon gushing over Obama.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=is%20podhoretz%20a%20neocon&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nypost.com%2Fp%2Fnews%2Fopinion%2Fopedcolumnists%2Fbarack_the_neocon_brsZZIP4IIEMbYsUR9w5wI&ei=bEKpTvv_N4Hh0QHXxfnNAg&usg=AFQjCNE-yQRZv8TTGsyfGE67sjzt6uW72Q


35 posted on 10/27/2011 4:47:30 AM PDT by dforest
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To: newzjunkey
On Cain, I'm not aware that the bizarre smoking guy ad is mean for TV instead of just having been shot for the internet. That would be very odd and poor use of media dollars.

Luntz on FoxNews showed a brief audience reaction graph to it. They didn't like it and liked it even less when the narrator took a drag on the cig.

Maybe it was made for the Internet, but it is getting air time on the cable news -- with negative commentaries.
36 posted on 10/27/2011 6:00:54 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

This was never meant to be a TV ad. It was a video message sent from Block to supporters. It came to me via email, and it was a private link to the video (it is public now, obviously) Block explained all of this himself talking to Megan Kelly.

The media took it and ran with it and turned it into a TV ad.

Either way, the reaction to it has been pretty neutral - some love it, some hate it, most don’t care. It is a non issue


37 posted on 10/27/2011 7:08:13 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: montag813

Folks should take a look at Cain’s foreign policy team:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2798359/posts


38 posted on 10/27/2011 7:10:21 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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Romney’s fundamental lack of principle is overpowering as well. Yesterday, in Ohio, he refused to say whether he opposes a ballot initiative now headed for easy passage next month -- an initiative that would reverse an Ohio law passed earlier this year ending collective bargaining for state workers. It was shepherded through by Republicans over vociferous Democratic and liberal objections.


39 posted on 10/27/2011 2:10:47 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

ROTF!!


40 posted on 10/28/2011 4:02:09 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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