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Why Islam is in as much trouble as the West
MercatorNet ^ | Monday, 24 October 2011 | Denyse O’Leary

Posted on 10/25/2011 7:52:01 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I’d like to hear what Mark Steyn, the self-described “demography bore,” says about this book.


21 posted on 10/25/2011 11:10:56 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I’ve been a fan of “Spengler’s” columns on Demographics at the Asia Times for quite a while.

Me too. I've always found him insightful, and oftentimes brilliant.

22 posted on 10/26/2011 1:09:06 AM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Just requested from the library. I just read (well, partly read and partly paged through) Pat Buchanan’s latest, and wasn’t nearly as impressed as I was with Mark Steyn’s “After America.”

I think Pat’s getting too old. He’s forgotten how to vary page after page of facts he thinks are just too, too dreadful with some *interesting* writing.


23 posted on 10/26/2011 3:30:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (You can tell them I just sailed away.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; All

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http://theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamIndex.htm

http://theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamasMuslims.htm

http://theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamWhiteHouse.htm

http://theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamEarlyYears.htm

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24 posted on 10/26/2011 3:42:36 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Spengler; Judith Anne; Cronos; wagglebee; dsc; Deo volente; MarkBsnr; Mad Dawg; ArrogantBustard; ...
Dear Mr. Goldman,

I did not realize you were a FReeper. God bless you and keep up the good work. Its vitally important the world understands these demographic issues that so few are reporting. I'll be reading your book on my Nook this evening.

25 posted on 10/26/2011 6:15:37 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I have ten children. I’ll wait to get it free from the People’s Republic of Mecklenburg County library, which has two copies.


26 posted on 10/26/2011 6:41:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (You can tell them I just sailed away.)
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To: A message

Natural behavior shifts back to equilibrium. High rates of population growth fall, overshoot equilibrium for a while, then reapproach it from the other direction. Eventually, everything settled down at a stable balance, and the doomday criers (on both sides) end up with egg on their faces.


27 posted on 10/26/2011 7:11:14 AM PDT by trollop
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
An impending population inversion and crash (more elderly than young, then rapidly decreasing total population) is the single greatest threat facing humanity

This so-called "threat" is as bogus as the "population bomb" from a few decades back. A doctor who used this sort of logic would expect a patient with a rising fever to spontaneously combust in a few days, and then when the fever broke he would issue a new prediction of how soon the patient would die of hypothermia.

28 posted on 10/26/2011 7:11:27 AM PDT by trollop
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To: yup2394871293
The islamic world is civilized?

Yes.

So were the Carthaginians and the Aztecs.

That we find aspects of their civilisation abhorrent does not negate that they are civilisations.

Furthermore, a civilisation which upholds a "sacred, fundamental, constitutional right" to slaughter unborn children has little room for pointing fingers at the murderous tendencies of other civilisations.

Log.

Splinter.

Eye.

29 posted on 10/26/2011 7:19:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Charles Martel

So the Germans and the Turks are in a race to extinction? Having got a generation’s head-start, I think the Germans will win.


30 posted on 10/26/2011 7:20:04 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Add to that the emergence of the Nazi movement in the most educated western state with the full support of its leading intellectuals. Those that did not support the Nazis supported the Reds.


31 posted on 10/26/2011 7:24:30 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: sageb1

Spengler actually is a member and posts here. I have had several conversations with him over the years.....


32 posted on 10/26/2011 7:39:11 AM PDT by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: onedoug

I thought it was a nice touch.


33 posted on 10/26/2011 8:41:32 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: expat1000

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:CUB&dl=en&hl=en&q=population+growth+in+cuba#ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=sp_pop_grow&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:CUB:PAK:IDN&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en


34 posted on 10/26/2011 12:35:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: expat1000

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_pop_grow&idim=country:CUB&dl=en&hl=en&q=population+growth+in+cuba#ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=sp_pop_grow&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:CUB:PAK:IDN:TUR:IRN&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en


35 posted on 10/26/2011 12:37:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Very interesting. And follows what I have seen.


36 posted on 10/26/2011 1:17:24 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Coconuts.


37 posted on 10/26/2011 3:01:20 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: trollop

Uh huh...

Get back to me when you’ve done a bit of reading and research on demographic trends.


38 posted on 10/26/2011 3:24:17 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: trollop

Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics ... and Population Graphs

In the run up to its ominously entitled “Day of Seven Billion,” the United Nations Population Fund has released a preview of its State of World Population Report 2011.

The preview opens with a graph of population over time that seems to show the world’s population climbing ever higher in the decades to come. In fact, the scaling suggests to the eye that the number of people will more than double by century’s end.

UNFPA graph from State of World Population Report 2011

The trouble with this graph is that it is, to put it bluntly, an absolute fabrication. It is designed, I believe, to create the impression that human numbers are spinning out of control. It is a population bomb graph, if you will.

No demographer that I know of believes that our numbers will ever double again.

In fact, not even the demographers at the UNFPA’s sister agency, the U.N. Population Division, believe it. Their favored graph looks like this:

UN Population Division Medium Variant Projection

This projection shows the world’s population peaking at 10 billion by the last decades of the 21st century, not steadily climbing to 13 billion and beyond.

While this is an improvement over the UNFPA’s population bomb graph, even this graph significantly overstates future numbers. It does so because the people counters at the UN Population Division assume that fertility rates in dying countries will somehow surge to 2.1 children per woman.

Now why would aging and dying populations (e.g., the Russians, the Italians, the Japanese, etc.) suddenly start having exactly the number of children necessary to replace themselves. The UN Population Division does not say.

Perhaps — I can only speculate — its demographers assume that governments will put in place generous child allowances. But many countries already have such allowances, and these have had only a modest effect on fertility. Russia’s $13,500 baby bonus, for example, has only increased the birth rate by 8 percent, too small a percentage to offset Russia’s population decline.

In all probability, the future of humanity looks more like the UN Population Division’s “low variant” projection.

UN Population Division Low Variant Projection

This shows population peaking around 2040 at 8 and a half billion or so, and then beginning to decline. It assumes that birthrates, which have been steadily falling for a century now, will continue to fall. What could be more reasonable?

The UNFPA can draw all the scary graphs it wants, but our long-term problem is not going to be too many people, it is going to be too few people: Too few people to start businesses and families, too few people to drive the economy forward, too few people to provide for the future.

Our current economic chill is just the beginning of a long demographic winter that will soon have much of the world in its deadly grip.


39 posted on 10/26/2011 3:31:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Nonsense. The number of people resulting from aggregate individual choices about reproduction is, by definition, neither "too many" nor "too few".

Unless you reject the principle of individualism, of course, in which case you might be more at home elsewhere.

40 posted on 10/26/2011 4:00:59 PM PDT by trollop
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