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The Quivering Upper Lip - The British character: from self-restraint to self-indulgence
City Journal ^ | Autumn 2008 | Theodore Dalyrmple

Posted on 10/15/2011 10:04:59 PM PDT by Cronos

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To: miss marmelstein

You base your opinion of British civility on London?.
Thanks for proving my earlier point.


41 posted on 10/16/2011 6:56:53 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman

I do get out of London on occasion. But you’re certainly right in that most of my comments are directed at the English and Londoners. I need to make a better distinction about that—


42 posted on 10/16/2011 6:59:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: boop

Yes, we are.

Miss Marmalade seem to base her opinion of the British purely on London. The Scots, Welsh, Irish and Northern and Midlands English, as well as those in the SW and Norfolk/Suffolk areas of England are well known for their friendliness.


43 posted on 10/16/2011 6:59:19 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: miss marmelstein

LOL

Fair enough, accusation withdrawn, m’lud. lol


44 posted on 10/16/2011 7:01:09 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: miss marmelstein

I think Caroline and George were too much alike ;-). I’ve seen the Royal Pavilion on tv, but in real life I’ve only visited London and environs and Northern Ireland, where my mother’s relatives live. This was in the early 1980s.


45 posted on 10/16/2011 7:06:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (You could be a monthly donor, too. It's easy!)
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To: the scotsman

Apology accepted? Taking shortcuts to make points sometimes has a habit of backfiring here on FR.


46 posted on 10/16/2011 7:06:57 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Cronos

This one gets a bookmark, excellent find.


47 posted on 10/16/2011 7:07:23 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tax-chick

It’s a real fantasy land. Brighton is sooo very beautiful as well.


48 posted on 10/16/2011 7:10:55 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: heye2monn

Excellent post. You summed it up perfectly.


49 posted on 10/16/2011 7:14:27 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: Cronos

I enjoy reading Dalyrmple. He’s a great expository writer. If the no-talent hacks at our American newspapers wrote half as well as Dalyrmple, they might stand a chance of being taken seriously.


50 posted on 10/16/2011 7:50:48 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: kalee

bookmark for later


51 posted on 10/16/2011 9:29:44 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: miss marmelstein
But then he was writing about the insulated upper class Brits of a certain era

From Wellington on (until socialism came in like a storm in the 50's) the British did have a refined air. They had sort of an understated grace...they had class but didn't flaunt it like the French tended to do.

Of course, such generalizations can't be spread to all classes and all people at all times during the era, but the upper and middle classes did have a very different way about them than the culture of Britain today (again due to socialist policies).

Tudor times were different as were other earlier British eras. But it was Wellington (the post-Napolenic era) which seems to have brought in that "stiff upper lip" way of life.

52 posted on 10/16/2011 11:11:58 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

I’m personally with James Tyrone - the protaganist of Eugene O’Neill’s greatest play “Long Day’s Journey into Night” - who insisted that the Duke of Wellington was an Irishman.


53 posted on 10/16/2011 11:24:16 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Quite a different breed than, for example, Wilde or James Joyce.


54 posted on 10/16/2011 11:35:23 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: miss marmelstein

“Being born in a stable does not make one a horse” was the Duke’s famous answer to that assertion!


55 posted on 10/16/2011 12:27:36 PM PDT by Mitch86
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To: miss marmelstein
I’ve been reading the Brit newspapers on line from the beginning. They have slowly turned over all their news to stories on America. You sometimes have to hit “British news” to get British news from their online editions. The hard copies are quite different. If you read the comments section, they generally say that it is because of all the Americans coming to them from Drudge. Some - rightfully, I think - resent the fact that their newspapers are more about us than them.

The Brits are covering the stories that Americans won't do. Possibly because there is less pressure that American Dems can put on Brit publications who do not stay "reasonable".

56 posted on 10/16/2011 12:38:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625

I don’t disagree. I read those papers everyday. I was responding to a poster who was asking why the Brit papers were covering so many American stories. Some British commenters have expressed frustration with this.


57 posted on 10/16/2011 12:43:08 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: Siena Dreaming

James Tyrone’s idea about the Duke of Wellington (as well as Shakeseare) being Irish always gets a huge laugh in any production of this play. The character is based on the Irish-American actor, James O’Neill, who was the hilariously put-upon father of Eugene.


58 posted on 10/16/2011 12:46:02 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Let's have a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: dfwgator

The two World Wars took the best of British manhood, they never recovered.

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I never thought about it that way - I don’t actually know what portion of the population was lost (%) etc.

I was startled a few years ago when a few British women lamented the hottest British music video at the time featuring a frail looking shirtless young British male singer saying “He epitomizes everything that is wrong with British masculinity - hollow chested, spindly armed” etc. I’d never heard women say that of their own nationality’s men before. (Saturday Night Live spoofed that video with a lithe woman wearing a rubber suit that captured the appearance of a man’s concave chest with breasts. She had facial hair and hit exactly between male and female in the spoof video of the singer who performs a whiny love song shirtless on the edge of a cliff or at a beach. It was well done to the point I sometimes couldn’t tell if the actor in the spoof was male or female. I thought it was John Mayer but can’t find the video.)
But you have me wondering - what portion of sturdy men was lost.


59 posted on 10/16/2011 8:03:41 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
I think also the same could be said for Germany, now what is the image of today's German male?


60 posted on 10/16/2011 8:05:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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