Skip to comments.Thousands of nurses to strike at Kaiser, Sutter hospitals Thursday
Posted on 09/20/2011 2:31:13 PM PDT by SmithL
Thousands of nurses at more than 30 Sutter Health and Kaiser Permanente hospitals in Northern California will walk off the job Thursday in what union officials say will be the nation's largest-ever nurses' strike.
More than 23,000 nurses represented by the powerful California Nurses Association including 17,000 from Kaiser hospitals are expected to honor the walkout, primarily in the Bay Area but also at Kaiser's Sacramento-area hospitals.
Kaiser officials said they are prepared "to provide high-quality health care and service" during the strike.
The massive one-day strike, engineered by the CNA
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contract with temp health care workers for 5 day minimums and let the strikers sit out four extra days.
Wow....we could have more than 23,000 job openings created by The Messiah, and then they can hire 23,000 Spanish-speaking locals to fill them.....what a concept!
contract with temp health care workers
LOL! they make more demands than any Nurse that is working now. My wife is a Nurse 29+ years now and temp health workers all they want to do is work when they want, hours they want, patients they want, shifts they want. more trouble than what their worth. The care will suffer if they walk.
that’s an independent perspective.
Fire them ALL!
Wait till unionized docs do this. More docs are becoming hospital employees and are ripe targets for unions. This is the bitter fruit of health care consolidation accelerated by o-care.
Docs will never unionize. Ever try to get two docs to agree on anything?
Seriously though I don’t see how these nurses can keep their licenses. Patient abandonment is almost a sure loss of license when brought in front of a nursing or medical board. Another reason I don’t like unions.
Exactly...maybe physicians should unionize and really put the system at a standstill.
Try looking up the ‘Union of American Physicians and Dentists’. They have made great strides with public employed Docs at least here in Calif. They are starting to make inroads into the private sector. Obamacare will increase that pace......
If we continue on this downward spiral, unionized docs will be an unfortunate consequence. We must get rid of obamacare and obama to avoid this outcome.
These CNA nurses have a no-strike contract. As far as I am concerned, by calling this sympathy walkout and threatening the nurses with fines if they do not violate their contract, CNA executives are guilty of fraud, criminal mischief, and reckless endangerment of innocent lives.
I would like to add that, if somebody dies because of this action, these CNA executives should be charged with second degree murder.
I have no problem with workers organizing (I didn’t think anyone here on FR would); at the same time they should be aware that they’re just guaranteeing another unflux of imported “nurses” that nobody can understand will be brought in to replace them (as has happened to tech workers, accountants, and such).
I’m not a communist, but American workers of all stripes are getting screwed by our government/corporations (they’re one & the same); with the exception of civil servants (for whom I am an involuntary client to be squeezed to death), I wish all Americans could bargain for a better standard of living than we’re being told to accept.
People can say what they want about Canada, but our nurses are not allowed to strike.
That’s just stupid! That’s like leaving a nuclear station un-manned. (No one can make me say un-peopled.)
I'll take care of myself thank you. Bargaining is for incompetent whiners.
so many of them are fat, disgusting freaks that go out for smoke breaks just after they’ve told you that you need to live a healthier lifestyle.
That's not what I see at Kaiser Santa Clara or Santa Theresa. They're a quite reasonably fit bunch, despite an average of over 25 years of employment there. Most of the nurses don't want to walk out, and not a few will choose to ignore their leadership. What is not known is how many. Kaiser's preparations are going to be massive. They're not just simply taking this.
“I’ll take care of myself thank you. Bargaining is for incompetent whiners.”
Bargaining got you your weekends; we’re starting to see what “American” companies are willing to do when given loopholes. Temps shouldn’t be working for five years as temps, just as “part-time” workers shouldn’t be consistently working 40+ hours per week without any benefits accorded to full-time employees at the same company. Miners used to work six and a half days a week; now many Americans are already up to six (while falling behind due to a combination of stagnant wages and unreported inflation).
I’ll never understand why, in light of the outsourcing and unfettered immigration, Americans pretend that we have any bargaining power left. Can you see what it has gotten us? What do you think is in store for Amerca’s children of today? At least Tunisians & Egyptians did something about their conditions.
I take it you think all sales people are "incompetent whiners."
Sheesh. Most every executive I have ever met negotiates his or her compensation package.
Going on strike would not constitute patient abandonment. In nursing, you could lose your license if you walk off a nursing unit while on your shift.
If you do not show up for work ( like a strike), that is not abandonment. You have not accepted a patient under your care.
It is a touchier situation for the nurses who are working when the strike action is called.
Usually, hospital administration will have arranged for someone to take over the nursing functions.
However, if they cannot find someone, they cannot force you to work unusual long hours while you wait for someone to take over. I think 16 hrs would be the maximum you can be forced to work.Otherwise, you could commit serious errors due to fatigue.
The original poster didn't sound as if he were talking about sales. He was talking about the government. I have nothing against sales people/executive negotiating contracts. But bargaining with the government for our standard of living sounds like socialism to me.
You are absolutely right, VL.
Bargaining for a better living in the real world means being good enough at what you do that others WANT to pay you well.
Methinks kearnyirish has a case of lefty blarney-I-wish.
LOL! I'm a stay at home mom so let me know when the weekends come. And my husband owns his own business and he works M-Saturday. Sunday is the Lord's day. Everyone who works gets to make a choice. Last I knew 'evil corporations' weren't holding a gun to anyone's head to make them 'work'. If enough people said no to working on the weekends then the companies would be closed, but as long as someone is willing for whatever reason, then that is their choice. I'm grateful everyday for the work my husband gets and I'm not about to bite the hand that is providing our income. Your milage may vary.
Thanks and Darn Skippy!
Snip: A total of 68 jobs are in jeopardy at the Roseville hospital, according to Service Employees International Union
My insurance premiums have more than doubled in the last ten years. The quality of medical care provided has not.
Perhaps if the nurses were paid less, and the janitorial staff paid more, helpless patients would contract fewer deadly diseases from hospitals.
American workers of all stripes have been screwing their employers and customers for years, because they bought into a fictitious entitlement mentallity.
God bless the dedicated Certified Nursing Assistants, LPNs and RPNs and PAs who still do their best everyday!
If only they would band together and refuse to tolerate their substandard,unprofessional peers, both their standard of life, and that of their patients, would be greatly enhanced.
Wunnerful idea. Then when you have a chest infection they can hang a little bag of red ants around your neck. Or spray mother's milk into your eyes to cure the pink eye.
Talking with my friends and colleagues I do not see unionization as a consequence of Obamacare, although that may come later. The first thing people will see on the medical side once Obamacare takes effect is mass retirement of seasoned and experienced physicians. It already does not pay to be in medicine compared to the other professions (when one takes into account hours worked, lifestyle, etc). Obamacare will worsen that to the point a lot of us will simply retire. Medicine sadly will no longer be worth the hassle. Physicians are already working harder and longer to make less. The trend cannot continue. And there are also those like me who will not work for the government at any price.
The NLRA needs serious review, particularly removing the anti-trust exemption unions enjoy. Unions should be forced to compete, making the most of every worker instead of treating them as if they were all the same. They're not.
I do agree that there will be large scale physician retirements as older physicians (40% of docs are >55) find working conditions intolerable and reimbursements insulting. Primary care, and specialists to the degree feasible, will feature physicians acting mostly as quality control agents supervising increasing numbers of physician extenders (much like the anesthesiologist/CRNA model).
The problem is that hospital systems are highly inefficient and expensive because of government regulation, state tort laws, and the third party payment system that eschews competition based on price and quality. Medical care in emerging economies reveals that costs can be reduced when free market principles are employed.
If Obamacare is repealed, and free market reforms are instituted, I doubt unionization will occur because entrepreneurs will create demand for high quality and affordable medical care. But if the nation chooses the socialist path in the next election, the government will continue to promote collectivist education and attitudes in every sector. The medical field will not be immune to their coercive influences.
“Bargaining for a better living in the real world means being good enough at what you do that others WANT to pay you well.”
That worked well until American workers actually starting making money according to the supply-and-demand model; since then corporations have found ways (legal or otherwise) to either have the same work done overseas for much less money, or import a much cheaper workforce into this country. Make no mistake: we are all paying for those policies and their effects. Under the original operating model Obama would have NEVER been elected; he got in because enough hard-working Americans watched their standards of living deteriorate. Too many people who played “by the rules” are finding themselves at middle age with nothing; their homes are in foreclosure, and they are looking at a very real prospect of not working again (while their retirement age has been pushed back to 67 or more).
“If enough people said no to working on the weekends then the companies would be closed, but as long as someone is willing for whatever reason, then that is their choice.”
You’re delusional; they’ve moved to Asia already, or imported Asians or Hispanics to do the work here. That is frightening that you think Americans have any leverage at all; I guess it is because you haven’t been in the workforce for a bit. My local bank decided to open on Sundays to compete with a large bank that offered Sunday hours; within a few months any workers that were granted religious exemptions from working Sundays were let go. As someone who works in the industry, my response to anyone praising these expanded branch hours is, “Think of the people that have to work them”. As a Christian I agree Sunday is the Lord’s Day; many workers now find themselves forced to work on Sundays against their consciences.
Corporations aren’t evil; they are legal constructs designed to maximize profits for shareholders while removing accountability from decision-makers (Sarbanes-Oxley has gone some way towards restoring accountability). Anyone familiar with American history knows what companies are willing to squeeze from workers historically; anyone not familiar with our history is getting a firsthand look at how Marxism came about, and the appeal it held for desperate people (hence the election of Obama).
You make good points; I just never thought that the independence-minded folks of Free Republic were opposed to collective bargaining for private-sector employees (while I understand opposing mandatory union membership, I don’t understand banning voluntary organization). I am the worst enemy public-employee unions have on Free Republic, and Chris Christie’s biggest fan here in NJ for battling them - because I am forced to pay them. In terms of the private sector, I have no problem with workers of any kind acting in concert for better pay or conditions; it is supply and demand, which is circumvented by companies by bringing in a constant supply of cheap labor (unskilled, tech, MBA, whatever) to suppress wages and weaken any position of American workers.
I’m puzzled why FReepers automatically assume that the freaks “occupying” Wall Street aren’t acting to some extent in our interests as well; some have rational points on their placards which shouldn’t be ignored. I’m to the right of Pat Buchanan, but understand the contributions the left has gained for Americans over the past century.
While all the talk about making a living on your own merits is commendable, the obvious fact is that “playing fair” has gotten American workers nowhere (and they’re slipping fast). FReepers that persist in ignoring the conditions of working Americans are as detached as Obama is; if he steps aside the Republicans will have a hard time dealing with his replacement because of exactly those conditions.
Yes, you, Obama, and James Hoffa are on precisely the same page in that regard.
Are you going to start talking about “taking out those son-of-a-bitches” next?
Go sell your snivelly union b.s. somewhere else. I’m not buying.
You deserve four more years of Obama; you might get your wish (if you take your head out of the sand to see it).
It is still a choice. Greed drives both sides of this. As a Christian you should know that the heart is wicked above all else. In America no one is forced to work on Sunday, it is a choice. One's decisions may have led one into a place where they may feel they 'have' to work on Sunday, but it is still a choice.
From some of your comments to sarasmom, it sounds as if you are living in NJ or on the East Coast. I'm in flyover country and we've had businesses stop being open on Sunday because they couldn't get anyone to work. Businesses that are committed to hiring only Americans. They seem to be doing fine financially; maybe the Lord is blessing their choice. If you have friends that are violating their conscience maybe they have made bad choices that have painted them into the 'work on Sunday' corner. It is always about choices.
Very good point. This big divide between the so called “far right” and “far left” is continually reinforced by the Establishment since they do not want to experience the synergy that would come from a united people, rather than a divided people. Of course there are insane haters from all sides, including the middle, but the real divide at issue there is between the Corporatist banks (crony capitalists working hand in glove with the gubmint) and We The People.
While I can't say that I find agreement with all of the memes being expressed by the Wall St Occupiers, nor with some of the organizations behind it, their basic point is that the Corporatist banks are destroying our economy (and many fundamental liberties) while being abetted by the federal gubmint. If anyone on the “far right” thinks that Government Sachs, et al have the best interests of America and its people at heart, they are sadly mistaken. Corporatism (Crony Capitalism) is NOT Free Market Capitalism, and sadly we have been drifting away from true Free Market Capitalism for decades.
But of course the establishment wants all of the people at Zuccotti Park to keep believing that all those “Tea Partiers are fascists” and all the folks at your local Tea Party meeting to believe that all those “Wall St. Occupiers are commie hippies.” That is the message that will keep We The People divided and fighting amongst ourselves, rather than against the real enemies.
I am in NJ, which is very different from flyover country in a few regards: Most companies/stores don’t want American workers; they hire the desperate from the 3rd world who would gladly work 7 days a week. Many Americans that won’t work Sundays aren’t working Monday to Friday either; the influx of immigrants (legal and otherwise) to replace them hasn’t slowed at all.
There is little “Christianity” left in NJ.
Very well said; thanks.
>> I wish all Americans could bargain
What percentage of nurses in the strike pool can bargain their way out of the strike without intimidation, humiliation, threats?
I understand the complications; I can’t believe that anyone posting on a site called “Free Republic” would disagree with their right to organize.
I’m an outright enemy of public employee unions, as I have to involuntarily contribute to them. As far as other workers go, who am I to oppose them? By what right?
Collective bargaining against taxpayer funded operations should be outlawed. It’s extortion.
I’m indifferent to collectivism in the private sector providing the collective doesn’t intimidate, harass, or otherwise interfere with the free market.
Unfortunately, the intersection of Liberty and Collectivism is practically non-existent.
I don't have to pay extorted “protection money” to a third party entity in order to do, or keep my job.
Business is down. I didn't get a raise per se, but my employer absorbed my portion of increased health insurance rates, along with their own...so my pay wasn't cut.
Because I am a valuable employee, and care almost as much about the company I work for as the owners do.
We will sink or swim together, by our combined efforts.
It is not an adversarial relationship. We truly wish each other well, but they really don't want my LOTTO winnings to reach retirement level.
At one point in USA history, labor unions were absolutely essential in forcing comprehensive labor laws to be written regarding fair employee protections against unscrupulous employers.
Most American workers and employers decided a long time ago that fairness is a two way deal.
Hense the decline of Union extortion rackets.
Now if my employer and I work hard enough together to get a bloated and corrupt government out of our way....next year I might have more money in my paycheck, instead of merely treading water, and those deepening worry lines my employers have sprouted might ease a little. Labor Unions only have power when Union membership is mandatory in order for any potential worker to be employed. No thanks! I would much rather earn an honest wage while doing an honest job.
I sincerely hope things improve for you & the company, as there is a relationship that is often lacking between employers & employees. I wish every state was a right-to-work state; the mandatory membership thing is as much a violation of a worker’s rights as banning unions.
I have never been a union member (though it was offered when I worked in maintenance for years in my younger days); I think they’ve done a lot of damage here in the recent past, but remember what they achieved in an even more distant past.
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