Posted on 09/14/2011 6:49:22 AM PDT by BfloGuy
Bachmann is making the case that opposing vaccinations required by the state is fundamentally a conservative issue, which is news to many conservatives given that mandatory vaccinations have been around as long as they have, and, to my knowledge, we haven’t made it a big part of the Republican platform to oppose them. But if you listened to Bachmann last night, it’s clear that she believes this is the type of issue on which a presidential candidate must stand, must do the right thing, and cannot waver in putting this forth as a conservative principle lest we risk infecting millions of children with mental retardation.
Has this always been an enormous part of this warrior’s soul? Apparently not.
By all appearances, she felt no need to mention, much less work towards stopping, a vaccination that, by her own standards, is an assault on liberty. Even more so actually. The HPV vaccination, while called mandatory, made available an opt-out provision so that the parental rights that she felt were so paramount could be protected in this decision. The Hepatitis B vaccination in Minnesota (state law since 1993) doesn’t even require parental consent at all. And Hep B’s communicability is similar to HPV in that it is primarily transmitted through intercourse, as opposed to being an airborne illness. Currently, no records can be found of Michele Bachmann sponsoring legislation in the Minnesota legislature to repeal the Hep B vaccination or to add a parental opt-out.
(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...
FROM THE ARTICLE: The Hepatitis B vaccination in Minnesota (state law since 1993) doesn’t even require parental consent at all. And Hep B’s communicability is similar to HPV in that it is primarily transmitted through intercourse... “
The point is that, as a state legislator, MB didn’t object to this vaccine. Her current stance is based more on her own falling in the polls than those ‘innocent little girls.”
Perry was acting consistent with the will of the legislature.
I've gone over the history often on FR. The short of it is this: in 2005, the legislature passed a bill (HB 2475) with the goal of ending the morality of cervical cancer by 2015. Texas had 1,100 new diagnoses year and one-third resulted in death. The bill directed the state dept of health to study the issue and send a report to the governor. Delivered to him in Dec. 2006, the report ("Texas Cervical Cancer Strategic Plan") named widespread vaccination with Gardasil as the means to attain the goal. In 2007, Perry signed his order ensuring widespread access, medicaid and insurance coverage, as well as protecting parent's rights. He thought he had the authority, the legislature disagreed.
The controversy is over the last element which Perry conceded and has repeated stated he would go through the legislature if he had it to do over.
Her years of silence as a legislator was approval of a policy far more egregious to liberty than Perry's parental right's protecting "opt-out" order.
Not being from Minnesota, I have no idea whether Bachmann was in the state legislature when this was made law in 1993. Even if she were, that 18 years ago. I've changed my position on some things in the last 18 years. Haven't you?
I really hope that was sarcasm. Because otherwise it is really a pathetic attempt at moral equivalence, and I am no particular fan of Bachmann.
Like hell! You can control your behavior, you cannot control the behavior of others. Even if your daughter maintains her virtue until marriage, she cannot be certain her future husband wasn't exposed and neither can he. You cannot be certain she won't be the victim of rape.
The vaccine is common sense insurance against risks in the face of unknowable future circumstances.
Folks with your kind of thinking must believe serious illness only befalls those who are in some way guilty of doing something immoral, deserving of suffering or early death.
She wasn't until 2001.
But don't bother asking those on a Bachmann moral equivalence witch hunt to let the facts get in the way.
Seriously, they are doing more harm than good to Perry with this nonsense. Fair-minded people will look at this and wonder why these contrived attacks on Palin and Bachmann over vaccines are happening and wonder just why the Perry spinners are trying so hard to deflect this criticism.
Whereas if Perry were to come out, clearly explain his rationale, and state emphatically that he would refrain from any kind of similar mandate as president, it would go a long ways to defusing this. It would defuse it now and defuse it for the general.
Agree. This sort of thing is why men in general are leary of saying they made a mistake. They know that women in general have a hard time of letting it go and will just pound them with things like “Sure, you say it was a mistake NOW, only when I call you on it...or you don’t mean it, etc.” It is a no win. Either it is “You won’t admit you made a mistake” or it is “Aha, you are pandering by admitting it now.”
Like 'common sense' gun laws help prevent shooting deaths?
All kinds of statist nonsense has been put forth under the guise of common sense and being for the children. So much that both phrases have become cliches among conservatives.
If this is such a big issue with MB, why didn’t she fight it, even if enacted before she was seated in the MN legislature? Overturn that wretched legislation for the sake of those innocent little girls. Didn’t she have a duty to the innocent little girls of MN?
Her current fight is pure, unadulterated BS. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with changing her, your or my mind. It has everything to do with her unbridled political ambition, and Perry’s being an impediment to that.
See post 36. MN has an opt-out already.
Maybe at some point on this thread you will realize that spinning your tires on a gravel road gets you nowhere.
HPV has been documented to spread through blood transfusion. So far the documented case have been people with significantly reduced immune systems, HIV patients. But the virus was shown spread this way.
http://www.rxpgnews.com/virology/Human_Papillomavirus_Could_Spread_Through_Blood_-__2872_2872.shtml
Infants can contract Hep B during birth.
It still shouldn’t be a mandated vaccine.
This occurred 18 years ago. Have you not had one change in position in 18 years?
The EO is a dead issue - Perry admitted at least as far back as 2010 that he made a mistake on the EO. Since he did that, Bachmann, Santorum, et al, now want to make the issue about giving a vaccine to prevent STDs to young children. Well, if that is the issue, then Bachmann better realize that she has her own problems in that regard. She had no problem "forcing" young children to be vaccinated against Hep-B, which is another disease which is primarily sexually transmitted. At least, she did nothing to prevent it when she was in a position to try to do so.
Let me get this straight. You’re saying she’s changed her position on mandatory vaccines for innocent little girls in the past 18 years? How about 5 years?
*I* am not running for office, much less the highest office in the nation and the most powerful office on the planet. So *my* changing *my* position is irrelevant. *I* am not making a mandatory vaccine for innocent little girls the centerpiece of a national campaign.
MD was in the MN legislature from 2001 thru 2007, when she got ‘promoted’ to the U.S. Congress. So that wasn’t 18 years ago, but don’t let that little fact get in the way of your “argument.”
HIV patients are clearly an exception.
We’re talking about 2 different diseases.
When we’re talking about HPV and Hep B, we’re comparing apples and oranges.
There are enough dissimilarities. Bachmann will carry the day with that case.
You Perry supporters think that Perry’s many faults can just magically go away by an apology.
It doesn’t work that way.
Paul and Bachmann and Santorum will continue to rip Perry apart on this.
Like they always make sure they ask a question where Ron Paul can say something in favor of terrorists, those 3 will always enjoy wacking pinata perry until the paper mache skin breaks and all the votes fall out.
Gardasilgate is not like Romneycare. People know all about Romneycare, but most Americans are just hearing about Gardasilgate. So, explaining exactly what Perry did in Gardasilgate, and explaining why a person who did those things should never be President, will take a long time, and will be a lot of fun.
smacking the Pinata Perry
Canada has shown HPV-19 to be transmitted by blood transfusion and the risk is not limited to those with immune deficiencies.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hcai-iamss/tti-it/risks-eng.php
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hcai-iamss/tti-it/ttdi-eng.php
HPV-19 is also found in lung tissue.
HPV will also live in the mouth.
http://www.clinicaladvisor.com/oral-lesions-caused-by-human-papillomavirus/article/193918/
The HPV risks are not solely from sex, just the most common.
Canada has shown HPV-19 to be transmitted by blood transfusion and the risk is not limited to those with immune deficiencies.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hcai-iamss/tti-it/risks-eng.php
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hcai-iamss/tti-it/ttdi-eng.php
HPV-19 is also found in lung tissue.
HPV will also live in the mouth.
http://www.clinicaladvisor.com/oral-lesions-caused-by-human-papillomavirus/article/193918/
The HPV risks are not solely from sex, just the most common.
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