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When Rick Perry Praised HillaryCare (1993)
The Atlantic ^ | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 09/03/2011 4:15:57 PM PDT by Tempest

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To: Tempest

You’ve already been shown to be an unrepentant liar with your post.

Perry’s letter pre dates the clinton health care package and nothing you can do or say can change that.

May God have mercy on you because mercy is the withholding of justly deserved consequences.


181 posted on 09/03/2011 7:56:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Let me make this clear for you Perrybots. I have yet to support any candidate. BUT I DO OPPOSE THE RINO RICK PERRY.

I’ll say it in Texan so YA’ALLZ CAN UNDERSTAND IT. YA ALLZ have an unhealthy devotion to Rick Perry that anyone that opposes him must be assigned a candidate to attack.

YA ALLZ CAN GO AHEAD AND START HATIN ON SARAH PALIN. BUT IT WILL ONLY MAKE YOU LOOK STUPID.

Because if you do that I could just accuse you of supporting Obama, like you do to me. Opposing your candidate does not make me pro-Obama, it makes me anti-RINO. Do I make myself clear.


182 posted on 09/03/2011 8:02:07 PM PDT by Tempest (Rick Perry is a solid conservative, if you consider Jello to be solid.)
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To: bushwon

Let’s see....even in 1993 I knew the Clintons were trouble, partially because I the Little Rock newspaper was delivered to my house on behalf of the former owner.

I’m sure Perry knew about the Clintons, too.

And as a Southern, Western gentleman, I’m sure that it was in his nature to be polite and courtious in his correspondence, especially when he’s asking for consideration for his concerns.

Hillarycare did not yet exist beyond a draft at the point Perry writes to her.

Kicking hillery in the shin verbally would, and is, a stupid move if you want something from her.

No more. No less.

And if you’re going to criticize Perry for the words he uses, then your words are equally open for examination, right?

As you’ve conceded, he did not endorse hillarycare as the thread claims.


183 posted on 09/03/2011 8:03:53 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: FreeReign
Alright. Knock yourself out.

You can try to twist his statement into an endorsement of HillaryCare if you want. You'll probably even find a few on here willing to believe it.

It is an argument with zero merit though. I'm moving on.

184 posted on 09/03/2011 8:10:56 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Sorry, I think an official letter from a state-level commissioner merits somewhat more consideration to word choice than a thread comment...Just guess we disagree.


185 posted on 09/03/2011 8:11:38 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: bushwon

Did he endorse hillarycare? (which did not yet exist)

That is the question, isn’t it?


186 posted on 09/03/2011 8:13:30 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: South40; cripplecreek; All

Thanks for the ping to this thread and posts (I stopped at cripplecreek’s post #67 to go over to ESPN and check out the Tiger’s victory...I’ll be back). Great thread so far. Thanks to all posters.

(I just got home from work)


187 posted on 09/03/2011 8:16:06 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: bushwon
I am not a Perry-hater, Palin lover, nor a Romneybot. I have been a FReeper since 2001 (Oh, that would be nearly 8 years more than you!), and I have legitimate questions about the candidates—especially ones that have recently declared.

LOL, well put.

Stay cool FRiend. I am sure that over the years you have been here, you have probably seen similar (or worse) ranting, raving, accusing, snarking, etc., than this before.

Gold Miners have to sift through a lot of mud before they find the precious metal. Any gold they find varies from tiny specs to good sized nuggets. And they have to be wise enough, and experienced enough, to know real gold from Fools gold.

Every so often, a valuable "nugget" of information (positive or negative) about one of the candidates appears out of the muck, and is useful for folks like you and I who are looking for them.

Undoubtedly, some posters will go over the stated line for this forum, and the Sheriff and his Deputies will take action to run (zot) them out of town. The Sheriff and his Deputies have seen every example of Troll, Agenda-Poster, Spammer, Know-It-All, etc., there is.

And just about the time those individuals think they are "getting away with it", lightning strikes in the saloon, leaving only a pair of empty boots (or sneakers) with smoke rolling out of them. Folks like us who come to FR for information will, at times, grow weary waiting for a "cleanup on aisle 5" moment, but inevitably it always happens.

Having said all that, FR is like no other place on the inter-webs, and I'll be here to take advantage of a place that provides the best information to Conservatives, bar none.

May the Lord Bless you and yours.

188 posted on 09/03/2011 8:22:46 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: Oceander

Nice logo, did you do it up yourself?


189 posted on 09/03/2011 8:24:54 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: Eagle Eye

Did he endorse hillarycare? (which did not yet exist)

That is the question, isn’t it?


This is getting really old. OK, In my opinion:

1. Hillary care NEVER existed....it was a plan, an initiative in 1993. It was as not ever passed into law—I don’t think it was ever voted on....Read my previous post, I think he was far more supportive than I would have liked....OK???

2. NO, really that is not the question in my opinion.

The questions are: Is he a true conservative? What is his record? Based on his record, what will he do or not do in office. Is he going to be a president that can lead this country out of the very troubled place we are headed if not in.


190 posted on 09/03/2011 8:29:16 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: TexMom7

Interesting, TM7. Thanks for the post.


191 posted on 09/03/2011 8:30:51 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: bushwon
Is he going to be a president that can lead this country out of the very troubled place we are headed if not in.

Not if he doesn't close the border for one thing....and surely not if he continues to cater to the Muslim population......

192 posted on 09/03/2011 8:32:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: Col Freeper

Thank you, I enjoyed your perspective. :) Agreed, on all points.

May the Lord Bless you and yours as well!


193 posted on 09/03/2011 8:35:58 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: Tempest

No, you don’t make yourself “clear” at all. Indeed, every post you make has you sounding more and more deranged.


194 posted on 09/03/2011 8:37:07 PM PDT by freedomwarrior998
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To: bushwon

Perry is a 10 year governor and that says something about his popularity in the state and the climate in the state says something about his effectiveness as governor.

Texas is a strongly Red state now, unlike when Bush was gov.

Obama hates Perry and hates Texas. Perry has confronted Obama personally on immigration and done battle with the EPA over environmental regulations that stangle jobs with little or no positive impact on the environment.

The job I have today did not exist last year, it is newly created and considered well paying, not the minimum wage or governemnt jobs some Perry critics claim is all that exists here.

There are no state income taxes but property taxes and sales taxes can be steep in places.

The cost of living (aka housing) is better here than in most of the nation and there are many, many, good jobs waiting to be filled and solid companies that want to do more business but need more people to work.

Perry has effectively dealt with political foes and has built a solid Republican/conservative government that should last for years after he leaves.

Is Perry the Ultimate Conservative to match every ideal that the most narrowly minded purists seem to demand?

Probably not...no, absolutely not.

But check out his book, and take some of the most outrageous criticism with a grain or three of salt.


195 posted on 09/03/2011 8:43:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: South40; All

Thanks again for the ping, South40. I just finished reading every post. Great thread. Thanks to all posters.


196 posted on 09/03/2011 8:51:45 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PGalt

You are welcome PG. :-)


197 posted on 09/03/2011 8:54:48 PM PDT by South40 (Perry: There is a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL ALIENS who have served THEIR country)
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To: bushwon
The questions are: Is he a true conservative? What is his record? Based on his record, what will he do or not do in office. Is he going to be a president that can lead this country out of the very troubled place we are headed if not in.

Yes. I think you have hit on an issue that is important. As one tries to gather information about the candidates, sometimes it's not always so much that they may have made a misstep in their decision making, but rather, was it a one-time incident, or does it accurately reflect their worldview, and how they would approach similar problems (on a federal level, with much more power to impact us).

For example (so far - to me) Gov. Perry's record sometimes appears to indicate a "this is the way it's going to be, regardless of what people want" approach, and yet, his supporters have been posting some "rest of the story" information that would seem to indicate that he does indeed think through issues, and respond to his constituents.

So, at this juncture, I look forward to running across more information about Gov. Perry so that I can, with some level of confidence, place in either his Pro, or his Con, column. Hopefully, by the end of the primary period, everything about him will have hit FR, and have been hashed out enough to know all we can about him.

The same is true for Gov. Palin (and any other candidate that seems viable).

198 posted on 09/03/2011 9:01:56 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: CGalen

Yeah, looks like the diehard PDS tagteam is down to 4 or 5 and hasn’t been able to find anything new and beleivable. Only hope will be if ronpaul’s Seting Perry ad comes through. Wasn’t that also weeks back and no takers other than Deb Medina and Bill White?


199 posted on 09/03/2011 9:32:24 PM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Eagle Eye
Don't be an idiot. Everybody knew what the principals of the Obama health care package would consist of long before the official package was every unveiled. Only a political hack would claim otherwise.
200 posted on 09/03/2011 9:42:33 PM PDT by Tempest (Rick Perry is a solid conservative, if you consider Jello to be solid.)
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