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The True Cost of George W. Bush's Magical Thinking (Mega-Chunks Hurl Alert)!
Salon.com ^ | 8/4/11 | Gene Lyons

Posted on 08/04/2011 2:26:18 AM PDT by mozarky2

The Wall Street meltdown happened at the perfect moment for Republicans to blame the fallout on Obama

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1 posted on 08/04/2011 2:26:20 AM PDT by mozarky2
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To: mozarky2

Would you like some cheese with your whiiiiiiiine?


2 posted on 08/04/2011 2:33:52 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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This is an exchange I've been having with Gene Lyons over the past several days. You'll have to read the e-mails from the bottom up. Dear Mr. Lyons, OK, sorry for calling you a liar. You're obviously a dimwit. They are (nota bene) UNMARKETABLE IOU's with NO cash value, NOT bonds! Potemkin paper, purely ceremonial in nature. They are WORTHLESS! The government has to "borrow" money from future revenues to "redeem" them! Look it up! Now that that's out of the way, I want to inform you that I won't bother you anymore. This will be my last correspondence with you. I find it very disturbing that you live to get hate mail. I don't know what trauma you suffered to turn you into such a desiccated husk of a man, but it shows in your writing, and it always has. Me, I live for my family, my grandkids, my job, friends, travel, good food and drink, God, and just this wonderful life in general. And with the Democratic party the object of more scorn and derision by the day, I can't imagine we're going to see any improvement in your condition. Liberalism is dying (thankfully) a rapid death, and it's going to really suck to be you for a very long time. So, I will hereby wish you a VERY long life, and bid you a fond farewell. I'll pray for you. F. D. --- On Mon, 7/25/11, gene lyons wrote: From: gene lyons Subject: Re: last week's column To: "Frank Duffy" Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 7:47 AM No, they're bonds, you fool. Apparently, you don't know what a bond is or what default means. --- On Sun, 7/24/11, Frank Duffy wrote: From: Frank Duffy Subject: Re: last week's column To: "gene lyons" Date: Sunday, July 24, 2011, 10:42 AM Dear Mr. Lyons, Aha! Now we're getting somewhere! You've backed off from "bonds that have to be redeemed" to "full faith and credit of the United States." You've just admitted that those "bonds" are nothing more than unmarketable IOU's. Potemkin paper, no more or less. So, this proves that you were incorrect. Now, either you knew this, and deliberately lied, OR you truly didn't know that, and YOU'RE the dimwit. Neither is a good thing. Frank Duffy Rogers, AR p.s. It pains me deeply to find that you live to be corrected by a power plant machinist. That's just...well,...pathetic. Now, you can give me a snippy, immature reply, or you can tell me which it is: liar or dimwit...? F. --- On Sat, 7/23/11, gene lyons wrote: From: gene lyons Subject: Re: last week's column To: "Frank Duffy" Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 8:05 AM If the "full faith and credit of the United States" becomes a meaningless phrase, all bets are off. It takes a lot more than insulting e-mails to make me angry. I live for them. --- On Fri, 7/22/11, Frank Duffy wrote: From: Frank Duffy Subject: Re: last week's column To: "gene lyons" Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 7:48 PM I know what the trust fund consists of, and I am not a name-caller. If I were, I'd call you a condescending ass. You're not the only intelligent person in Arkansas, you know. AND, you're not dealing with a Democrat voter here. You libs are hilarious when you're pissed; like every time someone confronts you with the truth. Worthless bonds at that, bu-bu-but you ASSURED us the fund was good until, when, 2044 or the like?...typical of your columns. Maybe you should start reading up on the talking points your handlers send you. And, OMG, did you see that pic of Hillary today? The only thing missing was a shopping cart and some garbage bags! Can you believe she's been selling arms to the Zetas? I can...speaking of suck, I bet you're hanging your head in shame over O's presser today...Geez what a brat. 2012 can't come soon enough... Frank Duffy --- On Fri, 7/22/11, gene lyons wrote: From: gene lyons Subject: Re: last week's column To: "Frank Duffy" Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 7:37 AM The trust fund consists of bonds that have to be redeemed, dimwit. That's what default means. --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Frank Duffy wrote: From: Frank Duffy Subject: Re: last week's column To: "gene lyons" Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 10:08 PM Dear Mr. Lyons, By morons, you're referring to Democratic voters, right? I mean, it wasn't me who put Obomber in office. Geez, that guy's CV would fit on a postage stamp! Even Sarah Palin is more accomplished than that buffoon. And, hacking Ann would be perfectly acceptable to you, right? Gotta go-duty calls and all that. My job, you see. Sorry I don't have time to explain. Democratic voters just don't seem to get the concept of work. When I have a little more time, I'll explain to you why your column this week is so lame. For example, why wouldn't SS checks go out? I mean, that's a Trust Fund with HOW many trillions in it? And, a couple years ago, you said in a column that fund wouldn't run out until WHEN? You really are losing it, Gene. As proof, your "hack Ann" reply was almost as lame as that Scrooge McDuck schtick. Just tryin' to save you from yourself... Frank Duffy --- On Thu, 7/21/11, gene lyons wrote: From: gene lyons Subject: Re: last week's column To: "Frank Duffy" Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:11 AM I say let's hack Ann's phone and e-mail. I'm sure there would be plenty of entertainment for morons. GL --- On Wed, 7/20/11, Frank Duffy wrote: From: Frank Duffy Subject: last week's column To: eugenelyons2@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 5:55 PM Dear Mr. Lyons, Thought you might be interested in this take on the NOTW scandal. This article is done with remarkable clarity, humor, and accuracy; areas which you, in your dotage, seem to be slipping in. Oh, wait...I don't recall you ever being capable of either...sorry! http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-07-20.html One other thing: I hope tomorrow's column isn't about Obama being the "adult" in the room. It's been done to death already this week by many of your betters. Frank Duffy Rogers, AR
3 posted on 08/04/2011 2:34:26 AM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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There must be an app for dealing with that.


4 posted on 08/04/2011 2:36:00 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: mozarky2; All

Sorry-my post #3 seems to have re-formatted. Very Difficult to read, but I hope you can muddle through it. It’s a look into the very disturbed mind of Gene Lyons.


5 posted on 08/04/2011 2:37:27 AM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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Darth Vader Bush....still being used as a blame tool ....


6 posted on 08/04/2011 2:40:54 AM PDT by cranked
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It’s a look into the very disturbed mind of Gene Lyons.

Gene Lyons: Arkansas' answer to Joe Conason.

A body can hold just so much bile...

7 posted on 08/04/2011 2:49:55 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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I guess Lyons thinks it’s W’s fault that Obama is incompetent...


8 posted on 08/04/2011 2:56:39 AM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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LOL, so it’s Bush’s fault that nobody’s blaming Bush for the economy any more? FOFLOL!


9 posted on 08/04/2011 3:01:41 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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The delusional left are getting creepy now.


10 posted on 08/04/2011 3:08:48 AM PDT by Vaduz
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Sorry but it was the left who Timed the collapse in September of the election year to Catapult the Marxist into the White House.
Second you can go on the Internet and get Bushs speeches that he gave in which he warned on what Fannnie and freddie were doing and why it should be Stopped.
Third you can also see the Clips on You Tube and see the freak from Massachussetts, Barney Frank, Berating George Bushs Regulator trying to get the Congress to stop Fannie and Freddie,Frank then said there was Nothing wrong with fannie and Freddie,and Republicans just didnt want the poor to have Houses. Lying freakin Democrats ,Go to Hell


11 posted on 08/04/2011 3:18:27 AM PDT by ballplayer
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If Bush were President today the unemployment level would be back down around 5% (perhaps even lower).

If Clinton were President we would be down as low as 7% (maybe).


12 posted on 08/04/2011 3:19:16 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error")
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To: okie01

Conason and Lyons always were the most loyal of Bill Clinton’s buttboys.

Ask them if the FoxNews staff should be arrested and sent to reeducation camps and watch them start to foam and hyperventilate.


13 posted on 08/04/2011 3:19:41 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: mozarky2

saw this meme coming yesterday, on seeing a headline on bloomberg about the how hard it is to “get beyond the devastation of the great recession” or some pitiful sophistry like that.


14 posted on 08/04/2011 4:01:01 AM PDT by _a_0_0_
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Desperate spin.

W’s deficit in 2006 was 165 billion ad declining.

Pelosi-Reid-Kenyan lizard spending since 20007 = 5 trillion.

Blame Bush meme? Non operative.


15 posted on 08/04/2011 4:02:29 AM PDT by y6162
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THIS is what we had in ‘06 when Republicans held both houses of congress and the WH, and dem0s were running for control of congress promising “CHANGE.” How’re yall liking the “CHANGE?”

2006 unemployment #s
4.7...jan.
4.8...feb.
4.7...march
4.7...april
4.7...may
4.6...june
4.7...july
4.7...aug.
4.5...sep.
4.4...oct.
4.5...nov.
4.4...dec.

________________________________________http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000
When Republicans had both houses and the WH.........................http://www.icmarc.org/xp/rc/marketview/ ... oduct.html

The 1st quarter of ‘06 saw 4.8% growth in GDP. Then came demos running for control of congress promising “CHANGE.” They won, and after 2 years in power, things HAVE “CHANGED” GDP growth dropped to negative 6%. Happy with your “CHANGE?”
12,600 12,621.77 January 24, 2007
DOW open and close
Deficit in january ‘07, 1.2%


16 posted on 08/04/2011 4:39:21 AM PDT by weezel
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Yup, and there's a chart out there that shows the unemployment rising once Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi won in 2006.

Business got scared at just the thought. And have been scared ever since.

17 posted on 08/04/2011 4:44:14 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error")
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And those numbers you posted were considered by the then minority democrats as "the worst economy since the great depression".

Tells me two things.

1) Republicans are very good for the country when it comes to jobs and the economy.

2) They are very bad politicians. How could they not win in 2006???

That second point is what concerns me for the 2012 election.

18 posted on 08/04/2011 4:47:44 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error")
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To: mozarky2

That makes my eyes gush blood.

This is an exchange I’ve been having with Gene Lyons over the past several days. You’ll have to read the e-mails from the bottom up.

-— On Wed, 7/20/11, Frank Duffy wrote: From: Frank Duffy Subject: last week’s column To: eugenelyons2@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, July 20, 2011, 5:55 PM Dear Mr. Lyons, Thought you might be interested in this take on the NOTW scandal. This article is done with remarkable clarity, humor, and accuracy; areas which you, in your dotage, seem to be slipping in. Oh, wait...I don’t recall you ever being capable of either...sorry! http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-07-20.html One other thing: I hope tomorrow’s column isn’t about Obama being the “adult” in the room. It’s been done to death already this week by many of your betters. Frank Duffy Rogers, AR

-— On Thu, 7/21/11, gene lyons wrote:
From: gene lyons Subject:
Re: last week’s column
To: “Frank Duffy” Date:
Thursday, July 21, 2011, 8:11 AM

I say let’s hack Ann’s phone and e-mail. I’m sure there would be plenty of entertainment for morons. GL

-— On Thu, 7/21/11, Frank Duffy wrote:
From: Frank Duffy Subject:
Re: last week’s column
To: “gene lyons”
Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 10:08 PM

Dear Mr. Lyons, By morons, you’re referring to Democratic voters, right? I mean, it wasn’t me who put Obomber in office. Geez, that guy’s CV would fit on a postage stamp! Even Sarah Palin is more accomplished than that buffoon. And, hacking Ann would be perfectly acceptable to you, right? Gotta go-duty calls and all that. My job, you see. Sorry I don’t have time to explain. Democratic voters just don’t seem to get the concept of work. When I have a little more time, I’ll explain to you why your column this week is so lame. For example, why wouldn’t SS checks go out? I mean, that’s a Trust Fund with HOW many trillions in it? And, a couple years ago, you said in a column that fund wouldn’t run out until WHEN? You really are losing it, Gene. As proof, your “hack Ann” reply was almost as lame as that Scrooge McDuck schtick. Just tryin’ to save you from yourself... Frank Duffy

-— On Fri, 7/22/11, gene lyons wrote:
From: gene lyons Subject:
Re: last week’s column
To: “Frank Duffy”
Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 7:37 AM

The trust fund consists of bonds that have to be redeemed, dimwit. That’s what default means.

-— On Fri, 7/22/11, Frank Duffy wrote:
From: Frank Duffy Subject:
Re: last week’s column To: “gene lyons”
Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 7:48 PM

I know what the trust fund consists of, and I am not a name-caller. If I were, I’d call you a condescending ass. You’re not the only intelligent person in Arkansas, you know. AND, you’re not dealing with a Democrat voter here. You libs are hilarious when you’re pissed; like every time someone confronts you with the truth. Worthless bonds at that, bu-bu-but you ASSURED us the fund was good until, when, 2044 or the like?...typical of your columns. Maybe you should start reading up on the talking points your handlers send you. And, OMG, did you see that pic of Hillary today? The only thing missing was a shopping cart and some garbage bags! Can you believe she’s been selling arms to the Zetas? I can...speaking of suck, I bet you’re hanging your head in shame over O’s presser today...Geez what a brat. 2012 can’t come soon enough... Frank Duffy

-— On Sat, 7/23/11, gene lyons wrote:
From: gene lyons Subject:
Re: last week’s column
To: “Frank Duffy”

Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 8:05 AM
If the “full faith and credit of the United States” becomes a meaningless phrase, all bets are off. It takes a lot more than insulting e-mails to make me angry. I live for them.

-— On Sun, 7/24/11, Frank Duffy wrote:
From: Frank Duffy Subject:
Re: last week’s column
To: “gene lyons”
Date: Sunday, July 24, 2011, 10:42 AM

Dear Mr. Lyons, Aha! Now we’re getting somewhere! You’ve backed off from “bonds that have to be redeemed” to “full faith and credit of the United States.” You’ve just admitted that those “bonds” are nothing more than unmarketable IOU’s. Potemkin paper, no more or less. So, this proves that you were incorrect. Now, either you knew this, and deliberately lied, OR you truly didn’t know that, and YOU’RE the dimwit. Neither is a good thing. Frank Duffy Rogers, AR p.s. It pains me deeply to find that you live to be corrected by a power plant machinist. That’s just...well,...pathetic. Now, you can give me a snippy, immature reply, or you can tell me which it is: liar or dimwit...? F.

-— On Mon, 7/25/11, gene lyons wrote:
From: gene lyons Subject:
Re: last week’s column
To: “Frank Duffy”
Date: Monday, July 25, 2011, 7:47 AM

No, they’re bonds, you fool. Apparently, you don’t know what a bond is or what default means.

———————NO EMAIL INFO INCLUDED ——————

Dear Mr. Lyons, OK, sorry for calling you a liar. You’re obviously a dimwit. They are (nota bene) UNMARKETABLE IOU’s with NO cash value, NOT bonds! Potemkin paper, purely ceremonial in nature. They are WORTHLESS! The government has to “borrow” money from future revenues to “redeem” them! Look it up! Now that that’s out of the way, I want to inform you that I won’t bother you anymore. This will be my last correspondence with you. I find it very disturbing that you live to get hate mail. I don’t know what trauma you suffered to turn you into such a desiccated husk of a man, but it shows in your writing, and it always has. Me, I live for my family, my grandkids, my job, friends, travel, good food and drink, God, and just this wonderful life in general. And with the Democratic party the object of more scorn and derision by the day, I can’t imagine we’re going to see any improvement in your condition. Liberalism is dying (thankfully) a rapid death, and it’s going to really suck to be you for a very long time. So, I will hereby wish you a VERY long life, and bid you a fond farewell. I’ll pray for you. F. D.


19 posted on 08/04/2011 4:51:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (America. Great idea. Couldn't last.)
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Bush card, race card always being played by a bunch of jokers.


20 posted on 08/04/2011 5:05:56 AM PDT by Toespi
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