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A House Divided
Right Side News ^ | 7/30/2011 | Arnold Ahlert

Posted on 07/30/2011 8:26:06 AM PDT by IbJensen

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What we have here is a failure to communicate.

What pundits and the media have failed to recognize...up to this point...is that there is a sea-change in how the American people view government. The ideological labels are now passe; all politicians are now seen by an increasing number of citizens as "governmentalist s"...people who see government as an appropriate authority and vehicle for solving problems and to which individual freedom and responsibility must bow.

More and more people want to get "governmentalists" out of office and confine government activity to national defense, giving individuals once again both the power and the responsibility to care for themselves. That is what make America great, and it can have that effect once more.

1 posted on 07/30/2011 8:26:09 AM PDT by IbJensen
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The Republicans in congress need to start reminding Obama WE WON, YOU LOST !!!

paybacks are a bi&$@


2 posted on 07/30/2011 8:29:16 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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We need to vote down the Reid plan at least once just to show that two sides can play this “dead on arrival” game. If we don’t we will look like nothing that comes out of the House truly matters and is ceding all power to the Senate.


3 posted on 07/30/2011 8:37:34 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: IbJensen

Quote from Thomas Sowell does it for me!

Conservative economist Thomas Sowell explains what’s important: “Is the Boehner legislation the best legislation possible? Of course not! You don’t get your heart’s desire when you control only one house of Congress and face a presidential veto,” he writes. “The most basic fact of life is that we can make our choices only among the alternatives actually available. It is not idealism to ignore the limits of one’s power. Nor is it selling out one’s principles to recognize those limits at a given time and place, and get the best deal possible under those conditions.”

Sowell then illuminates the big picture. “There are a lot of things to weigh against each other, not only as regards the economy, but also what the consequences to this nation would be to have Barack Obama get re-elected and go further down the dangerous path he has put us on, at home and abroad. Is it worth that risk to make a futile symbolic vote in Congress?” he asks.


4 posted on 07/30/2011 8:44:28 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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The thing is that Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the other Dems have not forgotten the last election. It is they who are doing the "pay back." The Dems are holding the American public hostage for electing the Tea Party supported candidates. They have no concern about the real problem, all they want to do is punish the voters who elected all those Republicans. The Democrats have been sour since they lost.

They are being vindictive on purpose and holding out, clouding up the issue, lying, and..in Obama's case, being noncommittal and "like jello" when it comes to taking a leadership position. They are also playing the blame game in retaliation, and so far they are succeeding. With the help of all the liberal media, the Republicans are the ones who are taking the fall in the eyes of citizens who are not willing to listen to anyone but the talking heads on MSNBCCNNCBSNBCPBS who, of course, are in bed with the hateful, vengeful Democrats.

5 posted on 07/30/2011 8:47:19 AM PDT by CitizenM (He who is silent is understood to consent)
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We have another deception ... the democrats will say anything and do anything to get their way ... which is total control, socialism, communism, tyranny ... Ala Castro, Chavez.

Many Americans deny this, either out of unwillingness to face facts or simply they are buying the media's take on things.

God help us in America today and on going to be restored to our former faith and common sense. Turn evil away from our leaders and show them the way to go, the path to walk and how to know thee, LORD, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us, in Jesus name amen.

6 posted on 07/30/2011 8:51:02 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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I say “NO MORE DEBT CEILING INCREASES”

Deal with the money you get… roll up your sleeves and start working in making the cuts necessary to get our fiscal matters in order.

If more debt is added it only makes matters worse down the road. If TARP had been shot down and let capitalism run its course, we’d be miles ahead by now.


7 posted on 07/30/2011 8:59:00 AM PDT by Java4Jay
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Boehner is either a total incompetent or a big, intrusive, government RINO. Either way he has to be replaced as Speaker.

We need a competent conservative with guts in that position. Besides, replacing Boehner with a conservative will send a message to the rest of the RINOs that they can’t pull on Super Man’s cape and they can’t screw the conservatives.

We also need to defeat the Reid bill and if the Boehner bill comes back to the House modified, we need to defeat it too. The Boehner bill is as much as we will give up to the liberals.


8 posted on 07/30/2011 8:59:00 AM PDT by SUSSA
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This is simple don't raise the debt limit. That is my choice. Or enact the Mac-Paul penny plan. This is also a political winner. Oh one other thing, dump Boehner.
9 posted on 07/30/2011 9:04:36 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: geologist
AMEN
10 posted on 07/30/2011 9:06:22 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: CitizenM

The Democrats are in vindication mode but as the polling is indicating this will shift soon to the more dangerous desperation mode. As we now should know, the left will do anything to hold on to power up to and including destroying the host. Beware of a Burn the Reichstag incident in the near future.


11 posted on 07/30/2011 9:19:09 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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I’d like to ask why we bother having a conservative media if all they do is worry about the liberal media blaming Republicans. The conservative media thinks that there is no surer thing in this world, than Obama being re-elected if the Republicans getting blamed for a govt. shutdown.

You can’t succeed with this kind of fear. It comes down to the idea that we must give up or be defeated.


12 posted on 07/30/2011 9:19:58 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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Why shouldn't Boehner compromise when he knows Reid won't pass anything he sends them? By compromising under those circumstances he's got the perfect cover down the road when he says that attitudes have hardened on the House due to Reid ignoring the rightful role of the House as the body to originate all money bills.

The final bill the House sends the Senate and that the Senate passes will be almost identical to the original CCB that the House sent over but with a smaller debt ceiling increase and no arrangement on how it will increase further. Boehner will defer all but a minor debt ceiling increase and will address it again as part of the annual Budget. He'll also make an issue of the debt ceiling being handled any other way which grants multi-year borrowing authority to the Executive Branch apart from the budget. Making the debt ceiling a part of the annual budget process and the Balanced Budget Amendment are the real goals because they're the real process changers.

JMHO

13 posted on 07/30/2011 9:21:45 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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Thoughtful response.


14 posted on 07/30/2011 9:29:33 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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To: Nuc 1.1

yes


15 posted on 07/30/2011 9:30:27 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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Dimocrats and the media saying Repubs will be “blamed by the people” is, of course, the exact opposite of what is true, and what Dims fear.

If checks stop going out right now, it will be on the President’s watch. He will have many months of struggling to get by on $2 trillion per year, or stick his neck way out on the impeachment block by simpy having the Executive branch defy the debt limit set by Congress. Voters will remember that the mad scramble for money happened on the current occupant’s watch.

If checks keep going out because the Dims got a credit extension from House Repubs to keep going until 2012 - this very same debt blowup will happen - to the next President. If a Repub is in office - THEN it will be blamed on Repubs.


16 posted on 07/30/2011 10:44:49 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Except for talk radio I know of no conservative media. It is pathetic really.
17 posted on 07/30/2011 1:27:30 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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You can’t succeed with this kind of fear. It comes down to the idea that we must give up or be defeated.

You are so correct. We need to stick to our guns and stand firm. Pipe dream of course but that is what is needed. Tough with the type of cheer leading we have been getting as you have pointed out.

18 posted on 07/30/2011 1:31:12 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: geologist

Democrats, other leftist travelers and Republicrat RINOs are purely unadulterated liars.

The Democrats are really socialists (albeit many are communists) who get their reading matter and guidance from a variety of aources: Mao’s Red Book, Lenin and Marx’s scribblings, the advice of NAMBLA and various and sundry other sources where they have to go into the sewers of Chicago to obtain.


19 posted on 07/31/2011 5:28:45 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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We are going in the wrong direction. We MUST turn around and go back the way we have come and eliminate the mistakes of recent years. We MUST! Or we can forget about America being the nation of the last 100 years. It will be lost.

God help us in our day, restore America to her former faith in thee LORD! Thank thee LORD for thy many blessings. Thou are almighty, thy are good, we love thee and praise thee, in Jesus name we pray. amen.

20 posted on 08/01/2011 9:07:18 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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