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This guy is gonna have his scientist badge revoked by Al Gore if he keeps this up.
1 posted on 07/28/2011 7:20:36 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

Who needs facts when we have feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings?


2 posted on 07/28/2011 7:22:30 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: driftdiver

I’m no scientist but this seems to settle the matter.


3 posted on 07/28/2011 7:23:17 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: driftdiver

The science is settled. We have a CONsensus.................


4 posted on 07/28/2011 7:24:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: driftdiver

Which completely vindicates stupid skeptics such as I who had the audacity to run the numbers and use my math/physics background to determine that the whole thing was a pile of bull-Obama.

The earth may heat, the earth may cool....who knows?

But whatever it chooses to do, it won’t be because of CO2.


5 posted on 07/28/2011 7:30:13 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txPqV0lZaSE

:-D


6 posted on 07/28/2011 7:31:26 AM PDT by bolobaby
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bttt


7 posted on 07/28/2011 7:35:26 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Re-Focus: TEA means the "Taxed Enough Already" Grass-Roots Movement)
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"...supports prior studies indicating increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide trap far less heat than alarmists have claimed."

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause [historically -etl]. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.

In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
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Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change

ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117193013.htm

8 posted on 07/28/2011 7:35:38 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Obama and Browner are on the same page with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. Their "solution" to the non-existent problem of "man-made global warming" is identical: SOCIALIST GLOBAL GOVERNANCE

From The Washington Times, January 12, 2009

Obama climate czar has socialist ties
Group sees 'global governance' as solution

by Stephen Dinan

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Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

lots more...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-socialist-ties/
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Here's a link to an image of a Google cache of the Socialist International's webpage that originally included Obama's "Climate Czar" Carol Browner.
http://24ahead.com/images/si-csws-cache-as-of-011009.jpg
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From GreenLeft.org

VENEZUELA: Chavez calls for global offensive for socialism
August 31, 2005

excerpts...

"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."

"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."

"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."

--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/640/640p16.htm

9 posted on 07/28/2011 7:37:47 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: driftdiver

Ah yes. Another reason to cut NASA’s budget. Politically inccorect science.

(Do I need a sarc tag? Probably.)


10 posted on 07/28/2011 7:38:23 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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It’s a good morning when I begin by reading that the “scientist” who had started all that bunk about polar bears is being investigated for fraud and now this. Go NASA. The “One” made NASA start using part of its budget to study globull warming. Well, hows that working out?


13 posted on 07/28/2011 7:45:38 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause [historically -etl]. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

I've been saying this for years. CO2 increases lag behind the temperature changes. Just like a soda can on a hot day, the oceans are losing their fizz. This is literally 8th grade science.

15 posted on 07/28/2011 7:47:25 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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Rush talking about, the last two launches of NASA satellites to monitor global warming both crashed (conveniently, implied by Rush) into the ocean at the same spot, two years apart.

NASA satellite crashes in ocean (March 2011)

In 2009 another satellite, which would have studied global warming, crashed into the ocean near Antarctica. Officials said Glory likely wound up landing in the same area.

16 posted on 07/28/2011 7:50:05 AM PDT by opentalk
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I'm shocked, shocked to find that liberal scientists have been making up facts to fit their agenda.

18 posted on 07/28/2011 7:54:47 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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“Study co-author Dr. Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite, reports that real-world data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.”

Rush's guy, Roy Spencer. The official EIB climate scientist. (after Dixie Lee Ray died).

20 posted on 07/28/2011 7:57:22 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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Wow!

NASA better be careful or they might have funding cuts that end the shuttle program and massive lay-offs.

Al Gore = putting the CON in consensus.

Enough of this "Space stuff" let's build choo-choos and windmills and electric cars and solar panels and batteries.

21 posted on 07/28/2011 7:58:32 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Obama and the Dems - The flash mob raiding the Treasury.)
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To: driftdiver

The truth always comes out..


22 posted on 07/28/2011 7:59:22 AM PDT by TinCan
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So more heat is escaping from the earth’s atmoshere than AlGore’s models predicted? I guess now we know why the other planets are all warming up, time to spend trillions on this new crisis!


23 posted on 07/28/2011 8:06:06 AM PDT by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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Al gore’s response: “the nasa study shows heat escaping so it is clear we are creating heat on a globally unsustainable level, if we are accelerating the rate that heat is escaping, if the temperature doesn’t rise, we will have more extreme weather. floods, more snowfall, droughts, and extreme temperatures. in short, we are doomed, buy carbon credits and my hedge fund.”


24 posted on 07/28/2011 8:06:55 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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The only gas that reflects IR energy really well is water vapor, not CO2. Heck, even argon is much better as a supposed greenhouse gas than CO2 and there’s more than twice the amount of it in the atmosphere than CO2.


25 posted on 07/28/2011 8:17:12 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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It wasn’t possible to have “greenhouse gas” before greenhouses were invented, therefore greenhouses must be the problem.


28 posted on 07/28/2011 8:27:40 AM PDT by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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