Skip to comments.Was Anders Breivik a Christian?
Posted on 07/25/2011 5:04:32 AM PDT by daniel1212
My prayers go out to the people of Norway and all of those affected by the vicious murders of Anders Breivik. My intention is not to make less of what happened in Norway, but to explain that his murderous actions were not of the teachings of Christianity.
The following commentary and quotes briefly look at some of Breiviks positions in his own words against the charge that he was a Christian; much less a fundamentalist Christian. Also, keep in mind that those who have claimed Breivik as being a fundamentalist Christian seem to be using the term as an undefined rhetorical talking point against conservative Christianity.
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He wanted a Christian culture but not the Christ. Likewise liberals want the Garden of Eden but not its God, and the laws (+ clothes) made necessary by the Fall.
This Norwegian man was critically of wrong faith, and born in the wrong century. So much for texts such as Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Jn. 18:36
Thank God you have eyes to see.
His form of christianity (small c) is a political ideology rather than a relationship with Christ, much like those who joined the Nazi party, yet labeled themselves Christian.
Labeling yourself Christian does not make you a Christian. His murderous act is all the proof that is needed that he is not a Christian, but a murderous hate-filled twisted monster.
Sounds Ike a strange way to be a Christian.
“I consider myself to be 100% Christian.”
Which matters not one jot or tittle. A lot of liberals would say the same thing, then define “Jesus” for themselves in a way that fits their worldly belief system.
I have yet to hear what church he attended. That puts him in the “pretend Christian” category with me.
I'm surprised that one of the victims or their family members has not done something like this
“Cultural Christian,” perhaps the largest denomination in the world.
Which is just the opposite in Christian faith, which censures such blatant aberrations.
He uses “Christian” the way any neo-Nazi uses it: to designate an ethnic/racial group, that is, Northern Europeans who have no Jewish or any other blood. The so-called “Christian Identity” movements are part of this. They have nothing to do with Christianity, but everything to do with being Northern European; Breivik, like Hitler, was also incorporating elements of Germanic/Nordic paganism and mythology into the “movement” he imagined he was building.
People like him are a modern form of neo-Nazi who have dropped the overtly Hitlerian references simply because of the bad publicity (and also because of the fact that it is illegal to be an overt follower of Hitler in most of Europe).
That said, the real reason for anything he did was that he was stark raving mad. One of the other things he said is that his followers would have to do some act to show their allegiance, such as cutting off their penises and testicles or murdering innocent children.
Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer are the three angels named in scripture.
Lucifer twisted off to do his own thing.
He’s a narcissist. His sole intent seemed to centered around this Manifesto. He did something big so people would read his book.
Unfortunately, it seems to be working.
He’s not a Christian.
He seems to be a big Obama fan and he plagiarized the Unabomber, a big algore fan, in his manifesto.
Norway madman triggered by Clinton’s bombing on Serbia
(Associated Press) Says it was NATO campaign in 1999 that ‘tipped the scales’ ...
Anyone who asks if a mass murderer/terrorist is a Christian obviously has no idea what a follower of Jesus is.
The answer, regardless of any other information writing or proclaimed belief is NO.
While a follower of Jesus Christ may defend themselves and others from criminal or state violence, fight in wars as uniformed members of a bonafide armed force etc, they may not attack innocents otherwise. To assume otherwise is not to know Christ.
On the other hand, to be politically active in material and pertinent issues is a part of every citizens’ (to include Christians’) civic duty and responsibility.
We must render unto ceasar what is ceasars (civic duty etc), but unto God what is God’s. Salt and Light.
Too many folks who claim knowledge and pursuit of Jesus and a Biblical world view don’t in all honesty, know what that world view is, and sadly, all too often, even who Jesus is.
Norway and so many other “progressive” nations, forfiet security in teh name of safety.... Disarmed populations are the soft underbelly of obvious delight to perverse, tiny people.
Cowards attack children in the name of whatever.
This event to me is a sad but teachable moment.
In America, how many citizens leave their arms at home when they could be the thin line of sanity in the face of evil in that moment when realization that a man or woman other could affect an outcome, but since they are not samurai, and they left the 1.5 pound equalizer at home because it was too inconvenient, that they are at best about to be a martyr, well intentioned but un able to in all probability, change an outcome. I tell you it is much easier to run to the guns when armed, than when not; something about having a fighting chance.....
I hope that we take to heart the need to be armed as much as possible, and if need be to avoid instances where we cannot be so prepared.
Typing this, I recognize that laws are often a barrier that we cannot individually overcome. I work on a military base and therefore cannot be armed (with a firearm) but I am a preparped as I can be otherwise. No ninja, mind you, but I have thought through scenarios and am as well armed and equipped as I can be w/o violating the law/regs.
Do you think things through?
It is not paranoia, if indeed, someone MAY be out there willing to harm you wherever you may be. Forts Bragg, Hood; Shopping malls, movie theaters, amusement parks, restaurants, places of worship, colleges, most importantly, you home.
There are other things that testify to his unregenerate state, but charges the Climate Change movement as being “enviro-communists, eco-Marxists, neo-Communists or eco-fanatics,” and “their true agenda is to contribute to create a world government lead by the UN...” (p. 646)
Thanks for your input
Breivik’s initial explanation comes in a segment of the manifesto entitled “Distinguishing between cultural Christendom and religious Christendom - reforming our suicidal church.”
“A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it,” he wrote.
“If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian,” he wrote.
Later in the manifesto, when attempting to justify his “martyrdom operation” Breivik did not see himself as being religious.
“I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment,” he wrote in a section of the manifesto.
“Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength,” he wrote.
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