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Fred Thompson to appear in Richmond on behalf of National Popular Vote initiative
Washington Post ^ | 07/11/2011 | Anita Kumar

Posted on 07/11/2011 11:40:58 AM PDT by Baladas

Fred Thompson, the former U.S. senator, Republican presidential candidate and actor (Law and Order, etc.), will be in Richmond next week to support an effort to ensure the presidency goes to the winner of the most overall popular votes in all 50 states.

Thompson, along with former Illinois governor Jim Edgar (R) and former Iowa governor Chet Culver (D) are part of a bipartisan coalition that has endorsed the National Popular Vote that would go into effect if states representing 270 electoral votes pass legislation.

The National Popular Vote bill has been signed into law in seven states — Maryland, Hawaii, Washington, Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Vermont and the District of Columbia -- representing 29 percent of the necessary votes for the compact to go into effect.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: badidea; democratvoterbill; electoralcollege; fredthimas; fredthompson; moredemocratsbill; popularvote
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To: longtermmemmory

Fred needs to go back to promoting something more worth while, like REVERSE MORTGAGE scams.


61 posted on 07/11/2011 1:36:02 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Baladas

Secession, an unfortunate option, keeps looking better and better and better and better.


62 posted on 07/11/2011 1:41:01 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: Baladas

Knox Pooley.


63 posted on 07/11/2011 1:45:07 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Baladas

We were founded as a republic and represented by our elected official through the electoral college.

Through the years the idea of an elected representative that actually represents his constituents has somehow disappeared. The party, not the man, has managed to become the ogre that beats all new politicians into submission to the unwritten (and secret) rules of the “Rino and Lifers” club and the people no longer have any say in the management of their legislatures on both the state and federal level.

In essence, we no longer have representation while the “tit” of government is dangled in front of naive voters.


64 posted on 07/11/2011 1:48:19 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
What little respect I had for Fred is completely gone now.

And to think some people here actually wanted this asshat to be president.


sorry. really i'm sorry. must remember to beware of attorneys.
65 posted on 07/11/2011 1:48:31 PM PDT by jjw
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To: Baladas

Now we should all be able to clearly see why we should not hold our nose and vote for the lessor of two evils. RINO’s are dangerous and we better figure out that they have the same goal as the Globalist traitors that dominate the democratic party as well as most of the republican leadership.

This is a direct attempt to change our Constitutional government from a Republic to a democracy. In effect it would amend the Constitution, without amending it.

D@mn the traitors within.


66 posted on 07/11/2011 1:59:29 PM PDT by itsahoot (Fair warning--I will vote for Palin, if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: grobdriver

Fred is plenty smart, you didn’t have a clue he was a Progressive did you?


67 posted on 07/11/2011 2:03:54 PM PDT by itsahoot (Fair warning--I will vote for Palin, if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I apologize to everyone for ever supporting Fred Thompson.
The electoral collage was one of the best ideas of the Founders, giving power to smaller states while allowing the majority of the people a way to be heard.
Like a snake sheds its skin, RINOs can change their appearance but slither back to their nature in time.
TWB
68 posted on 07/11/2011 2:05:21 PM PDT by TWhiteBear (Jobs, Peace, Food, Security .... Down with Obama(Peacefully))
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To: Baladas

Drop dead, Fred.


69 posted on 07/11/2011 2:08:11 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Baladas
Here's Fred's "Sat on the couch with..." moment.

Regards,

TS

70 posted on 07/11/2011 2:13:00 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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States with 270 electoral votes can make this happen?

Can you say bullsh? Last time I heard, it takes 37 states to amend the constitution, and that's what it would take. WAPO needs to read the Constitution....living or legacy, either one!

71 posted on 07/11/2011 2:32:18 PM PDT by fantail 1952 (Truth is a virus!)
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72 posted on 07/11/2011 2:45:10 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: TWhiteBear
>> I apologize to everyone for ever supporting Fred Thompson. <<

No need to apologize for that. We've all supported candidates that we've come to regret later on. I voted for Patrick Hughes for U.S. Senate in the 2010 primary against Mark Kirk. I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher now.

However, I do think an apology is in order for the freepers who sneered at everyone who questioned Fred's less-than-conservative record and whenever we brought it up, they responded with "You don't GET it. Fred only voted for so-and-so liberal thing cuz Fred a TRUE federalist. Fred revers federalism and he's the only real federalist in this race. OBVIOUSLY you don't understand federalism if you don't support Fred!"

73 posted on 07/11/2011 2:51:12 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: itsahoot

I’ll admit it - I was snookered.


74 posted on 07/11/2011 2:56:51 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Baladas
This is why I refuse to put Sarah Palin on anything resembling a pedestal. Every time I do that I am shortly thereafter let down in a huge way. Newt, Bush 43, and now Fred. I'm done. They're all just politicians that couldn't care less about the Oaths they regurgitate when taking office, nothing more.
75 posted on 07/11/2011 2:58:50 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: Baladas
Fred had me fooled. Oh well, live and learn.

Never trust an insider!

76 posted on 07/11/2011 9:09:38 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Baladas; Elendur; BillyBoy; Emperor Palpatine; mnehring; Dengar01

I wouldn’t go that far.

His support was so low anyway, it wouldn’t have mattered if all his supporters were for Hunter instead.

But anyhow, there are clearly as many reasons to give him the ubiquitous “RINO” tag as the average Republican Senator who is alternately tolerated and reviled by freeperdom. He’s hardly the paragon some made him out to be. Still would have much preferred him to McLame or Romney though.

I can’t believe he’s wasting his energy on this silly and doomed attempt to run an end around of the Electoral College. How about Tax reform Fred? Foreign policy? Jim Edgar isn’t a good guy to hang around. (And sadly Edgar was our best Governor in decades)


77 posted on 07/12/2011 5:41:57 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

I cannot believe Fred is taken in by this BS....and I supported him.

Popular vote equals less power for the smaller states and more democrats elected.

It is 100% the WRONG thing to do for people that care about our country.


78 posted on 07/12/2011 6:18:19 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Repeal Obamacare !!)
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To: Baladas

Note the 7 states that have passed this horrible idea are all liberal, Democrat states that would gain from more voter fraud.


79 posted on 07/12/2011 6:22:24 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Repeal Obamacare !!)
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To: Impy; Baladas; Elendur; Emperor Palpatine; mnehring; Dengar01
>> His support was so low anyway, it wouldn’t have mattered if all his supporters were for Hunter instead. <<

True, I don't buy the argument that he was in the race to sabotage conservatives so McCain would get the nod. That may have been the unintentional result in South Carolina, but overall he wasn't much of a factor. Still I think his brief stroll-for-the-Presidency is Exhibit A why it's a bad idea to "draft" people for office that won't their heart and soul into the effort. And it's Exhibit B while waiting around to the 11th hour to announce a major campaign is NOT a "brilliant strategy" (are you listening, Palin fans?) ;-)

>> But anyhow, there are clearly as many reasons to give him the ubiquitous “RINO” tag as the average Republican Senator who is alternately tolerated and reviled by freeperdom. He’s hardly the paragon some made him out to be. Still would have much preferred him to McLame or Romney though. <<

You're probably right, looking back he was still better than Rudy McRomney (only because the latter 3 were so bad), but at the time I was looking at the cards we were dealt and I wasn't about to throw my support behind someone who was endlessly "thinking about" running when everyone else was setting up tents in Iowa.

As I've said, there's NO reason for the freepers who were duped by Fred to apologize for voting for him. Alot of us throw our support behind a candidate we later regret, as I noted my most recent example is Pat Hughes in 2010.

What does irk me is the freepers who put Fred on some kind of pedestal as the second coming of Reagan and excused any terrible parts of his record as simply because of Fred's revered "federalist principles" ("why of course Fred hates abortion but he didn't campaign for the human life amendment cuz he's a TRUE FEDERALIST and the ONLY candidate who RESPECTS the intent of our founders... obviously you don't understand the principles of federalism) Most Fred supporters are far more rational and level-headed than Ron Paulites, it was disturbing to hear them talk like Paulies with the "ONLY Fred gets it" stuff and talk down to the rest of us as being clueless. I really don't appreciate being talked down to, either, whenever someone says I don't "understand" the constitution because I don't support their POV. Reminds me of my liberal college professes at Columbia who would sneer that anyone who doesn't agree with their anti-war agenda must be stupid and not understand current events and foriegn policy.

>> I can’t believe he’s wasting his energy on this silly and doomed attempt to run an end around of the Electoral College. How about Tax reform Fred? Foreign policy? Jim Edgar isn’t a good guy to hang around. (And sadly Edgar was our best Governor in decades) <<

While I think the electoral college system could be tweaked and reformed (my preferred method, of course, would be allocating electoral votes by congressional district instead of "winner take all" in a state), I agree it's hardly a top priority. I disagree with the freepers who have the "everything the founder fathers did is perfect" mindset, but with the EC its simply a case that although it's flawed, it's preferable to the main alternatives discussed at the time, either having Congress pick the President or have a nationwide popular vote as Fred wants.

It would at least be entertaining to debate him on this issue, situations like 1960 or 2000 would be a logistical nightmare if you were going to attempt an accurate nationwide recount in a country with 300 million people, given that the margin of victory was 500,000 votes or less. And I would love to see one of Fred's ex-supporters confront him about how going around the constitution with a national vote compact gels with his supposed reverence for "federalism". What irks me more than switching to a national popular vote is the method they're trying to use to impose it. If they passed a constitutional amendment to achieve that, I wouldn't be happy but I'd accept it. But there's something downright creepy about 12 of the biggest states getting together and deciding how the other 38 states will be able to allocate their votes in a presidential election.

80 posted on 07/12/2011 7:50:22 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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