Posted on 07/05/2011 11:43:43 PM PDT by neverdem
It’s not going to happen, but you can see their point.
Fox News reports today that Mexican lawmakers want the U.S. government officials behind the “Gun Walker” scandal extradited to Mexico, where they can face judgment in Mexican courts for the hundreds of people killed by the guns our Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives pushed across the border.
"I obviously feel violated. I feel my country's sovereignty was violated," Mexico Sen. Rene Arce Islas told Fox News. "They should be tried in the United States and the Mexican government should also demand that they also be tried in Mexico since the incidents took place here. There should be trials in both places."Arce is chairman of Mexico's Commission for National Security, a congressional panel similar to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.
So after we’re done grilling these characters in the United States, we hand them over to Mexico for another trial? Would they have to serve the sentences from both courts, and if so, would they get credit for time served before checking into the Mexican prison system?
Keep in mind that depending on how the Gun Walker investigation shakes out - and how loudly outbound ATF chief Ken Melson sings - the officials Senator Arce wants to perp-walk across the Rio Grande could include Attorney General Eric Holder, Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano, and maybe even President Barack Obama.
No matter how heinous the deed, it should be American courts that hold our politicians responsible for dereliction of duty. Allowing other nations, or trans-national organizations, to criminalize American policy decisions is unwise. It’s no more appealing today than it was when far-left bloggers were daydreaming about George Bush and Dick Cheney getting arrested during overseas visits and dragged off to the Hague, so they could be tried for war crimes.
[Arce’s] point of view is shared by many Mexican politicians, including Sen. Santiago Creel, a former Interior Minister and the likely presidential nominee next year of the National Action Party to succeed Felipe Calderone, also of PAN."I think we should at least try to prove that what happened in Mexico must be sanctioned by Mexican laws and under our sovereignty," Creel told us. "What can't happen is that this now ends on an administrative sanction, or a resignation. No, no, no. Human lives were lost here. A decision was made to carry out an operation that brought very high risk to human lives."
The anger of these Mexican officials is understandable. What the ATF did through its “Operation Fast and Furious” is not difficult to characterize as an act of war. There is little practical difference between this bizarre program and Iran or Syria smuggling arms to Hamas.
Fox News notes that “Mexico doesn’t completely understand Operation Fast and Furious, the American plan to help send assault rifles to Mexico as a means of exposing the gun trafficking rings that operate along the border.” The more completely Mexican and American citizens understand this program, the less they like it. Senator Creel is quite correct to note that this has gone far beyond the point where a few well-timed resignations from cut-outs and fall guys would be an acceptable ending for the Gun Walker saga.
The people responsible for this operation should be made to explain themselves to the families of both Americans and Mexicans killed by their astonishing negligence. If it can be proven that this was a political operation, intended to generate headlines useful for the American gun control movement, then they should be wearing orange jumpsuits when they do it, because they are guilty of far worse than negligence.
I’m not really having a problem with this. Send Obama first.
Well kudos to the Mexicans for that, at least.
They will help make sure that this scandal can’t be swept under the carpet.
Let’s hope they hold up their end, and raise as big a stink as they can.
This has possibilities. Mexico gets corrupt U.S. officials to try and the U.S. gets corrupt Mexican officials to try.
All that’s left is figuring out the proportions.
Neither I.
“- the officials Senator Arce wants to perp-walk across the Rio Grande could include Attorney General Eric Holder, Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano, and maybe even President Barack Obama.”
Hmmmmm
I like the idea
include Attorney General Eric Holder, Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano, and maybe even President Barack Obama.”
Hmmmmm
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Hmmmm is right. Maybe we can hold out and make some kind of swap - like the Israelis used to do. Give us our 2 soldiers back and we will return 500 of your ‘freedom fighters’.
If we play our cards right we can keep the ‘producing’ type
‘illegals’, swap the whole cabinet and throw in a few players to be named later.
Sure we can find the 9th Circus Courts fingerprints in here somewhere.
Once they get OUR half of the trade, we really secure the borders so they cant’ realize they made a huge mistake and try to trade our idiots for ALL their illegals....
With a little work and very little time, we can make this work.
Creel had a love child with a Soap Opera star and his wife has not been lady like quiet about it. Mexico is not France. At least not yet. Sen Creel is not getting anywhere near Los Pinos
Technically, it was an act of war - sending arms to rebels against a legitimately elected government has been considered casus belli for a very, very, very long time.
I’m headed to bed, so I will think on this in my sleep and that should result in very pleasant dreams. ;>)
Yeah, I pretty sure we’ve bomb the crap out of a country or two fir very similar if not same acts against others... As well as standing by israel for doing the same...
Can we vote on this? I'm definately in favor!
What Gun Walker scandal?
Hey, how about that Anthony trial!
Welcome to the F'ing party pal. Maybe you can do something about the 25 million illegals and drug trafficers that you help sponcer into our territory.
” I feel my country’s sovereignty was violated,”
Um yes, it was.
I would have more sympathy however, if MY country were not being violated every day with the blessing (and direction) of the Mex. government as they issue maps and supplies to the Mex. invasion force of “Illegal immigrants”.
Then the Mex. government sets up offices in the U.S. to direct their citizens in how to (illegally) vote, THAT is also a violation of sovereignty and act of war.
To top it off, now Mex. wants to sue U.S. states for having the temerity to make an effort to curb the Mex. invasion!
The BATFE operational excuse was and is a charade intended to justify unconstitutional infringements on our right to keep and bear arms.
Mexico’s sovereignty was compromised to support that effort.
I promise to never send any guns to Mexico, now lets see Mexico make peace and cease sending us their moochers, illegal drugs, agent provocateurs and other criminals.
Let us take care of our criminals, and let Mexico keep theirs home too!
The families of everyone who was killed by these guns should bring a $trillion dollar lawsuit agains obama and holder. They could file it through the UN. Hell, Mexico sues AZ and GA why not sue the white house since it’s a valid case.
First reaction? Hell yes- send Holder today!
Second reaction? Who the hell do these corrupt-o-crats in Mexico City think they are fooling?
Since we are so ginned up over criminal acts, how about we extradite Calderone and his band of crooks here for the part their gangs and drugs play in turning our cities into sewers?
The goal from the beginning was to create chaos which could be blamed on our 2nd amendment rights and used to disarm us.
I doubt it can be proven, but that's what this case is all about...
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