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To: Puckster

Why didnt you post the REST of that?

Here it is:

Licensed saloons became illegal speakeasies, and many common citizens took advantage of the high sales price of illegal booze by secretly manufacturing booze in their own bathtubs. That’s one of the major problems with all drug prohibitions — they greatly reduce the ability to make accurate judgments about the problem. There is no good way to count the number of illegal dealers, or the people who are secretly making gin in their own bathroom. Therefore, to make such a judgment, we have to rely on a number of indirect indicators.

By the greatest majority of indicators, the biggest drops in alcohol consumption and alcohol problems actually came before national prohibition went into effect. Those drops continued for about the first two years of Prohibition and then alcohol consumption began to rise.

By 1926, most of the problems were worse than they had been before Prohibition went into effect and there were a number of new problems — such as a drinking epidemic among children — that had not been there before.

The statement of Andrew Furuseth before Congress in 1926 describes what happened in the opening years of Prohibition:

When the prohibition amendment was passed and the Volstead Act was enacted, about three months after that I came through Portland, Oreg. Now there is a certain district in Portland Oreg. where there is the so-called employment district-— it is usually amongst the working people, called the “slave market”-— and I was the most astonished man you ever saw. Before that I had seen drunkenness there, dilapidated men, helpless, and in any condition that you do not want to see human beings. This time, three months after this act was passed there was an entire change. The men walked around from one place to another looking for employment, seamen and others. And they were sober. And they looked at the conditions, and they said, “No, we will wait a little.” There was more independence amongst them than I had ever seen before. That very class which is the worst and lowest class that we know of amongst the seamen and workingmen. And I became an ardent advocate of the Volstead Act.

Two years afterwards I came through the same identical place, staying in Portland for about three days, and went to the very same place for the purpose of looking at the situation, and the condition was worse than it had been prior to the passage of the law. As long as the prohibition legislation was enforced, could be enforced, as long as the bootlegging element had not been organized, and not get the stuff, everything looked well. But the moment that they could get it they got it. And they will find it when nobody else can. They will find it somewhere. If it is to be bought in the vicinity any where they will find it. And the condition is worse than it ever was, because the stuff that they drink is worse than ever.

Testimony of Andrew Furuseth, President of the International Seamen’s Union of America, The National Prohibition Law, Hearings before the Subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Sixty-Ninth Congress, April 5 to 24, 1926”

It’s from here:

http://www.druglibrary.org/prohibitionresults.htm


And I clearly said...and I quote:

“alcohol use went down AFTER repeal”

Not until the 1960s did the consumption of alcohol surpass pre-Prohibition levels.

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

“Seems like Buckley pretty much has your mind locked up.”

Gonna piss on Buckleys leg too?..On free republic?

“So yes/no back to you, is your purpose to say you really do think that it should be legal because they can get and use illegal substances/alcohol?”

My purpose it to get you to use logic instead of emotion.

“Illegal to them but not to me, if marijuana is legalized.”

Same as beer...yes?

“What is you point by throwing that in with the corpse?”

Selling drug to a minor should be a capital offense.

If that isnt good enough for you...perhaps abusing the corpse of the offender would be even better?

I mean really...how much tougher can you get than a death penalty for selling drugs to minors?


201 posted on 06/23/2011 3:47:48 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Crim
I said, using what I did, to indicate that there is no way to establish that, for a certainty, what you said is true.

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“So yes/no back to you, is your purpose to say you really do think that it should be legal because they can get and use illegal substances/alcohol?”

My purpose it to get you to use logic instead of emotion.

“Illegal to them but not to me, if marijuana is legalized.”

Same as beer...yes?”

You still have not said what you believe.
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“Gonna piss on Buckleys leg too?..On free republic?”

Worship him if you want....he's not God. Or, do you believe him infallible?
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““What is you point by throwing that in with the corpse?”

Selling drug to a minor should be a capital offense.

If that isn't good enough for you...perhaps abusing the corpse of the offender would be even better?

I mean really...how much tougher can you get than a death penalty for selling drugs to minors?”

And again, why did this even come up? Logic? You debate by throwing everything including the kitchen sink into the fray.

logic, you said this then you comment about minors are going to use/drink anyway....from death to they'll do it anyway....so death for what minors are gonna do anyway.

How can I agree when it seems like a bipolar statement.
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“If that isn't good enough for you...perhaps abusing the corpse of the offender would be even better?”

This statement of yours was offered up because I suggested what, if anything contrary?

207 posted on 06/23/2011 4:46:10 AM PDT by Puckster
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