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States: "Help Us, Criminal Illegals Swamp Budgets, Prisons"
Townhall.com ^ | June 10, 2011 | John Ransom

Posted on 06/10/2011 6:49:27 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Blue Ink

This fellow Californian says amen!!! Thanks for a great post.


21 posted on 06/10/2011 9:56:01 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: Kaslin

Being an illegal alien should be a MAJOR aggravating circumstance to any crime.


22 posted on 06/10/2011 10:03:42 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kaslin
Kali has made a conscious decision to be a sanctuary state. What the hell are they crying about?
23 posted on 06/10/2011 10:06:55 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Kaslin

The feds do seem to be working against the states, more and more lately. I wonder what can really be done about that - especially since all the fed revenue comes from the states?


24 posted on 06/10/2011 10:12:44 AM PDT by existentialist
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To: existentialist

tent cities should be established all along the border. Sheriff Joe can explain how to set it up.


25 posted on 06/10/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by magna carta
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To: Blue Ink

You make some interesting points ...but still, I have little sympathy for Californians. (I lived in CA from 1965 to 1975 ..and don’t want to go back!).

Consider how the Indiana Supreme Court - under INTENSE pressure will reconsider its STUPID decision that is a clear violation of the 4th amendment (homeowners have no legal right to resist an improper or illegal home invasion of police storm troopers.) The public outcry awoke the justices that there was a tremendous over-reach.

Had the people of the state of CA “revolted” when the 9th Circus had ruled the Prop. 187 to be unconstitutional ...and when Governor Gray Davis decided to stop appeals to the Supreme Court ...basically letting him know he would be impeached/tarred and feathered for his decision - then maybe Prop. 187 would have been held constitutional. If enough taxpayers had done everything possible to “go on strike” such that state revenues dried up - then the message might have gotten out. If the taxpayers had gone “Alinksy” on the 9th Circus judges ...picketing the court, picketing their houses, threatening all sorts of legal civil disobedience ...maybe they would have gotten the message.

But - CA slept and allowed it to happen. The 9th Circus meets in SF, and the judges live in the area. Make it hurt them. The Governor should have been pressured too. So - CA lost the battle by not engaging in the battle. Makes it tough every where else too.

And it is still not too late for CA residents to “Go Galt” or “Go Alinsky” - leave the state, go “underground” as much as possible to starve the beast....to let it be known - “no business as usual” until they fix the F’d up system!


26 posted on 06/10/2011 10:40:13 AM PDT by Vineyard
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To: Vineyard

You’re saying Californians are suckers for not taking up arms against the state and illegally assuming the immigration enforcement duties of the Federal Government. Thanks for the great advice I’m sure you would have followed under similar circumstances!

You lived here. How do you not understand that the citizen electorate of California has no power. We can’t help ourselves. We. Are. Occupied. By. A. Foreign. Country.

“California lost the battle by not engaging?” Really? States are forbidden to wage war or conduct foreign policy — both of which are the only ways to repel a foreign invasion. “Picketing the court?” Do you have any idea how fatuous and lame that sounds?

I love that the very states who never acknowledge their complicity in the unchallenged annexation and colonization of an American state are always full of sage advice about what to do now. Go Galt. Just leave our state to the invaders. Smirk, shrug, screw California, you slept and did nothing, ha ha ha, etc.

Well, get this: it’s your fault. I don’t care what state you live in now. We made a deal, a compact, in 1776 and you and rest of the states have reneged. You’ve utterly betrayed California by not fulfilling your Constitutional mandate to repel foreign invasion and in short have each other’s back. Thanks! And thanks for the advice to picket judges and the governor’s office! That’ll get ‘er done!


27 posted on 06/10/2011 1:04:29 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I say screw deporting criminal aliens. Make the punishment for felonies committed while illegally in the US, life in prison at hard labor, with no possibility of parole.

See how fast the illegals self-deport back to Mexico.

Until we make the punishment much, MUCH worse than the crime, this behavior will just continue. If our state and federal governments don’t do something effective to put a stop to this invasion, human nature will. And it ain’t gonna be pretty.


28 posted on 06/10/2011 1:13:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RetiredArmy; Kaslin
BULL!!! California is a self inflicted wound. They spend billions every year to support these illegals. Let California rot in its own garbage. They created the problem.

While you and others in Alabama were gawking, years ago CA overwhelmingly passed prop 187 which was to put a stop all tax paid/supported benefits to illegals.

Your Federal government in concert with their state government co-conspirators, declared CA free election illegal and burned the ballots.

The direct results of that massive government control and intrusion can now been seen coast to coast.

It was the last President, supported by Alabama, that called Americans who with a belly full of lawless borders, "Vigilantes".

I support Alabama's recent endeavors regarding illegals, but the record needs to be set straight here.

29 posted on 06/10/2011 1:18:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blue Ink

Great post, Blue. As a native Californian, I can vouch for everything you said.

We the people did everything we could, short of full-scale rebellion, to push back against being colonized, but our will was overturned by our betters in the federal government, again and again.

Now the invasion has reached epidemic proportions all across the US. We’re long past the pot calling the kettle black. Our nation needs to unite against this scourge, and put an end to it.


30 posted on 06/10/2011 1:18:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RetiredArmy
BULL!!! California is a self inflicted wound. They spend billions every year to support these illegals. Let California rot in its own garbage.

BTW, I couldn't help notice you said nothing about states such as Texas, where Parkland Hospital in Dallas is home to nearly 1000 anchor babies per MONTH...All on the tax payers dime. That's just one single hospital in Texas.

31 posted on 06/10/2011 1:24:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blue Ink

cry me a river


32 posted on 06/10/2011 1:37:51 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: Blue Ink

cry me a river


33 posted on 06/10/2011 1:38:36 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy; Blue Ink
cry me a river

Blue Ink attemtped to educate you. You're just too ignorant to realize it, or for whatever your motive, you simply refuse to acknowledged the facts.

34 posted on 06/10/2011 1:40:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Blue Ink

YOU elected Davis, Brown, Brown again, Brown again and Arnold. You got what you voted for. You legislature is dim dominated. You got what you voted for. Don’t like the results? Move.


35 posted on 06/10/2011 1:41:33 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: dragnet2

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


36 posted on 06/10/2011 1:42:21 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: RetiredArmy; Blue Ink
You’re retired military; how do you not see that California was invaded and colonized against the will of her American citizens? And YOUR federal government and YOUR military, never lifted a finger to stop it?

The Federal government claims as its sole purview everything that would have helped California defend herself: internal deportation, closing the border; ending birthright citizenship; citizenship requirements for welfare benefits; citizenship requirements for public schooling; and workplace citizenship verification.

Californians enacted EVERY SINGLE ONE of those things early on in the invasion, either administratively or at the ballot box, and the Federal Government slapped them all down. Court verdicts were clear: the Federal government won’t deport them, so California MUST support them. And we have. And it’s bankrupted us.

Meanwhile, the rest of the American states yawned. THEIR states weren’t on the front lines of the invasion, so let California twist in the wind.

Now we’ve been thoroughly colonized, and the invaders and second generation spawn control the state government through ballot box numbers. Is it still our fault?

I don’t understand why so many Americans are petulantly and childishly okay with surrendering an American state to a foreign country. It’s craven and shameful. Does it make you feel better to blame Californians for your abandoning us? Are you jealous of our weather? I just don’t get it.

Please report back to FR after your home state of Alabama gets dragged into court over your immigration self-defense measures — you know, the ones California enacted twenty years ago — and your self-righteous, historically ignorant fat head is handed to you by your Federal government.

BTW, I couldn't help notice you said nothing about states such as Texas, where Parkland Hospital in Dallas is home to nearly 1000 anchor babies per MONTH...All on the tax payers dime. That's just one single hospital in Texas.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

A response the moron lobby would be proud of.

37 posted on 06/10/2011 1:47:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Here's one way to proceed against illegals----In 1996, Congress expanded the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) to include violations of federal immigration law.

1 While this expansion may not have received much publicity, it could potentially change the face of U.S. immigration law enforcement. Under the new RICO provisions, a violation of certain provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) meets the definition of racketeering activity, also known as a "predicate offense,"

2 and an entity that engages in a pattern of racketeering activity for financial gain can be held both criminally and civilly liable.

3 Among other things, the INA makes it unlawful to encourage illegal immigration or employ illegal aliens,

4 which violations were included as predicate offenses under RICO.

The 1996 law changes in the INA made hiring illegal aliens a predicate act of racketeering activity under RICO, but illegal hiring wasn’t the only violation of the INA made a predicate act. Other INA prohibitions made RICO predicate acts were encouraging or inducing illegal immigration, smuggling, and harboring illegal aliens.10 Together, these additions make the RICO Act potentially a very strong new tool in the hands of private parties against persons and companies that profit by violating U.S. immigration law.

Additionally, the RICO provision regarding the unlawful encouragement of illegal immigration could justify a suit against a private entity, such as a bank, that accepts foreign-issued identification cards that are only needed by illegal aliens. One example of this, of course, is the matricula consular issued by the Mexican consulates in the United States. Since both the supporters of the matricula and those who oppose its acceptance agree that only illegal aliens have need to rely on the card, acceptance of the card knowingly encourages illegal immigration. Part of the legislative intent of the RICO laws in general was to afford private citizens a remedy for lawbreaking when authorities normally charged with such enforcement became derelict in their duties.

For example, in a town in which political corruption and racketeering activity have combined to the detriment of law-abiding citizens and the rule of law, the RICO Act was intended to provide private citizens the ability to initiate court action to compel enforcement and respect for the law.

38 posted on 06/10/2011 2:07:47 PM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Kaslin

illegals cannot be much of problem in Calif.They went ahead and passed their own dream act offering illegals in state tuition. Calif can now reap what they sowed. They wanted illegals there and now they got them and I don’t feel sorry for them at all. They should be careful what they wish for.


39 posted on 06/10/2011 2:41:13 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: RetiredArmy

Please explain in detail how the CA governor and legislature are empowered to repel a foreign invasion (hint: they’re not.)

Look, I get it. You illogically and mistakenly blame CA state elected officials for the colonization and annexation of a sovereign American state because you can’t handle the fact that this is the fault of whatever state you live in, as well as the other 49. YOU got what YOU voted for: the Federal government of the United States of America. Your Senate and your House of Representatives sat back and did nothing. Your military had their hands tied.

Deal with it. We have to.


40 posted on 06/10/2011 3:54:49 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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