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Be On The Look Out ~ Big Government Ripoff?
June 7, 2011 | beachn4fun

Posted on 06/07/2011 4:13:01 AM PDT by beachn4fun

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To: Roccus

Yup. That’s the way they operate. Down here in Tidewater VA we are fighting our cities tooth and nail over speed and red light cameras. Just can’t believe people aren’t screaming about the ‘presumption of guilt’ thing. There are cameras EVERYWHERE - gawd only knows who is monitoring what.


21 posted on 06/07/2011 5:16:20 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: caver

” you’ll see at least 5 cop cars, no they don’t make me feel any safer. “

If ‘The Policeman is My Friend’, why does daddy get that funny look when there’s one driving behind him??


22 posted on 06/07/2011 5:17:19 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: beachn4fun

What you’re observing is local government morphing into the local “mob”....Louis with the baseball bat has become Chiquita behind the computer screen at the DMV.


23 posted on 06/07/2011 5:20:08 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: mo
What you’re observing is local government morphing into the local “mob”....

Without intimidation and extortion, all government would cease to exist.

24 posted on 06/07/2011 5:23:54 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Freddd

Watch next time you shop.

We have a location that is on a land line still for a credit card terminal. We’ve had the phone company out many, many times to check the line.

The scenario that happens is the first time the card is swiped the terminal occasionally reports the communication failed. So the card needs to be submitted again and most times it goes through the second time fine. The problem though, is the request to debit the account was picked up twice at the other end. And there is no way to correct the “holds.” The first swipe never generated a receipt, number, or authorization on the store end.

The excess holds get dropped when the terminal is batched out at the close of business. And it is literally ‘dropped.’ Nothing we do at the store level causes it to fall off, other than batching out the terminal for end of day. Anything that our terminal is holding that doesn’t have an authorization for gets dumped out of the batch.

I had a similar instance at of all places a car dealership in the same city. Talk about a pain as the ‘large’ hold on the account carried over the weekend! By Monday when the system finally rolled over to the next business day the unverified hold was dropped.


25 posted on 06/07/2011 5:24:11 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: beachn4fun
And, MVA is like IRS, you can't seem to win in the fight. The MVA is far worse than the IRS. I deal with the IRS every day on behalf of clients. They do have checks and balances to keep the system working fairly. I agree they do have their bad apples. At a meeting with the IRS this past year the regional director made the statement, “We need your help to retrieve our agents who have wandered off the farm.”

The MVA is really bad. Recently a friend of mine received a speeding ticket from an officer who said he caught her on radar in NC while he was traveling opposite direction. How can the state prove the accuracy of this process?

26 posted on 06/07/2011 5:25:55 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Roccus
I'll bet they have sold the rights to a private company (some politician's BIL) for money up-front while the company collects the down-stream revenue or part thereof. It would also explain why the author must send the MD fine payment to PA.

Good point.

27 posted on 06/07/2011 5:28:11 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Americans never quit. ~ General Douglas Macarthur (1880 - 1964))
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To: Freddd

Exactly. One must keep the eye on those statements as well as the credit card ones.


28 posted on 06/07/2011 5:29:07 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Americans never quit. ~ General Douglas Macarthur (1880 - 1964))
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To: 762X51
I’ve noticed as municipalities become desperate for money they’ll resort to most anything to avoid cutting back in even the smallest degree.

This is what I believe too.

29 posted on 06/07/2011 5:32:27 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Americans never quit. ~ General Douglas Macarthur (1880 - 1964))
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To: Uncle Ike
That ‘loophole’ has since been removed - nowadays, the legal fig leaf is that the ticket is issued to the vehicle, not the driver - and the burden is on the owner of the vehicle to ‘prove innocence’....

Maybe. I'm not sure how, at the time, someone else's name became associated with my vehicle (maybe a couple of digits on the license plate were transposed?). It's not even possible that the person named was a former owner, since I had bought the vehicle in another state. But, even if the ticket is issued on the basis of a red light camera, there should be a photographic record that can be pulled to verify whether the vehicle in question is yours or not. If the picture shows a blue Ford pickup with license #TH29229 but you drive a white Toyota pickup with license #TH29929, I think you can get out of the ticket.

30 posted on 06/07/2011 5:33:58 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
It was sent to my address and had my plate number on it--but the driver was listed as someone else. I only had to explain that I did not know that person, nor could that person have been driving my vehicle. The ticket was removed from my record.

How in the blip? How can this happen?

31 posted on 06/07/2011 5:34:30 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Americans never quit. ~ General Douglas Macarthur (1880 - 1964))
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To: exDemMom

” I think you can get out of the ticket. “

Maybe..

As for me, I ‘stop on yellow’, these days.... ;)


32 posted on 06/07/2011 5:38:14 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: tired&retired
How can the state prove the accuracy of this process?

See, my point is the opposite - how can the driver prove their innocence? The state is going to believe the officer or other govt agency over the citizen unless we can prove the error or have a witness.

33 posted on 06/07/2011 5:38:32 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Americans never quit. ~ General Douglas Macarthur (1880 - 1964))
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To: Uncle Ike

Guess what....You’re supposed to stop on yellow!!


34 posted on 06/07/2011 5:38:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I thought it was
Red.........STOP
Green.......GO
Yellow......GO FASTER

};^)


35 posted on 06/07/2011 5:41:23 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: beachn4fun

This is nothing new. It may get to be more pervasive but governments have been doing this for ages. In 1995 I went to renew my driver’s license in New Hampshire when they told me that I couldn’t because my license was suspended in the state of Virginia. The last time I was in Virginia was December of 1984 when I left the Navy. NH said too bad, we have a reciprocity agreement so you have to straighten this out with the state of Virginia.

So I called the Virginia Dept. of Motor Vehicles. They looked up my name and said I owed them $100. I asked them what for and they said they had no record of that, only that I owed them $100. So they couldn’t tell me why they just wanted the money or else. Since it would have cost me more money to fight it I sent them $100.

So, fine paid I go back to renew my driver’s license. I was told I couldn’t because my license was suspended in the state of Virginia. I explained that I paid up and, naturally, they didn’t care. So I called the Virginia Dept. of Motor Vehicles again and they said I owed them $100. I told them I had paid the $100 already. They said that true, I had paid them $100 but now I had to pay them another $100 TO GET MY VIRGINIA DRIVER’S LICENSE REINSTATED. I told them that I hadn’t set foot in Virginia since 1984 and if I never set foot in it again I’d be a happy man. They didn’t care, just send $100 or else.

So I paid $100 for a ticket I never got and they never told me what it was for then paid another $100 for a license I would never use, just because they could do it. Extortion by government is as old as government itself.


36 posted on 06/07/2011 5:43:14 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

JESUS! And, I thought mine was bad. This is another reason we need to network about this extortion, once and for all. They think we are fools who are just going to sit and take it.

I’m going to find out how to fix this problem. Just wish I had a calmer head when I get steamed.


37 posted on 06/07/2011 5:52:24 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Americans never quit. ~ General Douglas Macarthur (1880 - 1964))
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To: beachn4fun
How in the blip? How can this happen?

I suspect that the person being ticketed had a vehicle license plate number very similar to mine, and someone made a typo.

Those things happen. I once found a deposit of $67,000 in my savings account. I was rich for about 3 months until I finally called the bank to ask about it. Someone had transposed digits in an account number... (It would have been nice if the bank had at least allowed me to keep the interest. But they even took that away.)

38 posted on 06/07/2011 5:53:14 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
(It would have been nice if the bank had at least allowed me to keep the interest. But they even took that away.)

The pigs! LOL

39 posted on 06/07/2011 5:55:49 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Americans never quit. ~ General Douglas Macarthur (1880 - 1964))
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To: beachn4fun

Did youy receive a paper ticket last year? If so did you have a chance to confront your accuser?

If you didn’t receive a paper ticket than how do they prove you were actually there? I’m sure you may have loaned your car to any one of thousands of friends you have.

If it’s not written down, it never happened.


40 posted on 06/07/2011 6:31:10 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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