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Don't doom GOP's chance to win in 2012
CNN ^ | David Frum

Posted on 06/06/2011 9:46:31 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How does a Canadian run for president of the United States, pray tell? .................................... Like a Kenyan?


21 posted on 06/06/2011 10:04:35 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (The storm clouds of war are on the horizon, 1939 is again approaching us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How does a Canadian run for president of the United States, pray tell?

My guess: The same was a Kenyan/Indonesian does. [Note: I'm not claiming that Obama was not born in Hawaii, just that it's unproven where he was physically born, although we all know that culturally he is less American than Russia's Vladimir Putin or China's Hu Jintao, both of whom have criticized Obama for governing from too far to the left!]

22 posted on 06/06/2011 10:05:08 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“How does a Canadian run for president of the United States, pray tell”?

...same way a kenyan does.


23 posted on 06/06/2011 10:05:46 AM PDT by albie
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To: dirtboy
Fee Fi Fo Frum. I smell the limp-wristed, whiny, squishy, please invite me to your NY cocktail parties as the token 'republican', coward named david.

It is Frum himself who deceitfully seeks to portray authentic conservatives "as Medicare-annihilating racist maniacs". Fey on Frum!

24 posted on 06/06/2011 10:07:37 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Let’s use Frum’s theory and do a little historical research. Here are recent elections (historically speaking, using Presidential and congressional elections) where the GOP went “maniac.”
80,84, 94, 2010.

Here’s the list where they used restraint and went reasonable:
92,96, 98, 2006, 2008.

The GOP also won in 88 when many thought Bush 41 would continue the Reagan “mania.” The GOP won in 2004 because Kerry Edwards was way off the deep end. Using “restraint” only works for liberals, to hide who they are. It always fails for Republicans, who only win when they go hard right.


25 posted on 06/06/2011 10:09:06 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: Windy City Conservative
The GOP has to MAKE SURE that senior citizens who are on SS and/or Medicare, or about to receive the same, are CERTAIN they will be safe.

The GOP has to make CERTAIN that their opposition to illegal invaders is not construed as being as anti-Hispanic.

AT THE SAME TIME they need to ASSURE people that the government gravy train is over and they are FIXING the system, not destroying it.

All of this requires a certain amount of political finesse and street-smarts - something the GOP has ALWAYS come up short on when competing the Dems who are MASTERS of propaganda.

They have to learn tactics from their enemies even if their goals are different.

26 posted on 06/06/2011 10:09:36 AM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Restraint, responsibility and moderation

Then why doesn't 0 and the Democrats total lack of restraint, responsibility and moderation doom them in 2012?

Love how these Media "Conservatives" like Frum want to only apply their stated standards to those who oppose their extreme Leftist political idols.

27 posted on 06/06/2011 10:09:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Ever heard of “self-hating Jews”? Frum must be a self-hating Republican.

The so-called conservative punditry, I think, hates the Tea Party because they had nothing to do with it. Frankly, I do not agree with every person at the Tea Parties I attend. Frum seems to not want to understand our diversity while ignoring our unity.

The Tea Party put the Republicans in power in the House, gave the GOP substantial gains in the Senate, and HISTORIC gains in state legislatures.

Frum is being smug, plain and simple.


28 posted on 06/06/2011 10:10:02 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Windy City Conservative

Someone please help me to understand how any attempt to fix or reform Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and Social Security automatically qualify as “racist”. That is essentially what this CNN hit-piece states (and what the libs have been screaming for decades).

I guess the answer also answers why Rush Limbaugh qualifies as a racist every time he says something about “individual responsibility”.

Here’s the reality: If the Republicans get limp-wristed, spineless on these issues, then they will be throwing every fiscal conservative under the bus, along with this nation that can no longer afford all these entitlements with no end (we apparently haven’t been able to afford them for a long time, considering the mounting insane debt). If the Republicans nominate yet another RINO in the name of electability, he/she will either lose AGAIN (which I think is the most likely), or they will luck the RINO into office, and the nation will still go bankrupt and die.

The only solution is for a strong fiscally conservative Republican with a backbone and at least an ability to keep his/her zipper closed and personal finances straight, to win the nomination, win the general election, carrying a 2nd wave of conservatives into Congress, and actually clean house.

But I won’t hold my breath that this will happen...I will, on the other hand, be praying...


29 posted on 06/06/2011 10:11:20 AM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: dirtboy
We tried it your way in 2008, Frum. We did it our way in 2010.

Sing it from the mountaintops.


P.S. Frum is an loser. Supported by losers; an advocate for losers.

30 posted on 06/06/2011 10:12:16 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Windy City Conservative
Frum on Palin:

-"This is a woman who has got into a position of leadership by sending very powerful sexual signals,"

-"There is a thinness of skin, and an anger, and a vindictiveness that is very dangerous,"

Frum to Judy Woodruff - Nov. 10., 2009

31 posted on 06/06/2011 10:12:43 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: Windy City Conservative
Going against 15 years of FR tradition, I decided to go to the site and read the entire article. It was a waste of time and electrons. I still have *no* idea what Frum's specific point is.

I fully agree that America loves a circus, but this isn't an automatic negative. Obama himself used his celebrity appeal to propel himself to victory on a glittery rainbow of hope, change and unmitigated bullsh#t.

There are some clowns that America enjoys but wouldn't vote for (Al Sharpton, Michael Savage, Donald Trump, Jesse Jackson, Arianna Huffington, Ann Coulter, Michael Moore, etc), but these guys have always been with us. Reigning them in from time to time just comes with the territory.

Frum has something approaching a point when he lightly mentions birthers (who are fringe, whether they like it or not), but then goes on to imply that anything that scares people is 'maniac'. Reform Medicare and Social Security? Maniac! Support Palin or Bachmann over Romney? Maniac! Talk about any issues that most Democrats don't support? Maniac! Paul Ryan? Maniac!

I mean, really!? Are we supposed to NOT confront reality and let the country go bankrupt because we've got David Frum biting our ankles? What's the point in winning elections if it's to give America more of the same, until she overdoses on spending?

Even if the article has no point, Frum does. He' a "ruling class uber alles" type who wants the GOP to be more like the DNC, and he aims to help them beat back the Tea Party calls for spending cuts and reform. He's as much the enemy as Barack Obama.

32 posted on 06/06/2011 10:13:26 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: Windy City Conservative
"Medicare-annihilating racist maniacs"

How? By proposing a plan that preserves Medicare? What is Frum's plan? Does it involve price controls that don't work? Or a huge tax hit? Does it jack up taxes on "the wealthy"? Or does it means test, which in essence is what Ryan's plan does? And what is racist about the Republican platform? What? Opposing ILLEGAL immigration while embracing LEGAL immigration, which, oh, 70 to 80% of the public does??? Frum's problem is that he sees the world through the prism of the MSM and buys into their spin that anything that turns Medicare away from a Soviet style Socialized Healthcare is "gutting" it--no, excuse me, "annihilating" it. And that anything that doesn't involve amnesty and open borders is racist.

33 posted on 06/06/2011 10:15:15 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Windy City Conservative

The Country Club has spoken. Naw, let’s try a Conservative for a change and let you hold your nose. It’s our turn to thow the Country Club under the bus.

Pray for America


34 posted on 06/06/2011 10:17:28 AM PDT by bray (Hey Country Club, hold Sarah's coat while she kicks his ____.)
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To: Steel Wolf

I actually read Frum’s Medicare articles because he does make some good points on ancillary issues and he made me realize that the Ryan plan, as is, is way too similar to the current college tuition subsidy mess, which simply jacks up costs. That said, Ryan’s plan still is the best proposal out there and Frum has not advocated a remotely workable plan.


35 posted on 06/06/2011 10:17:46 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"How does a Canadian run for president of the United States, pray tell?"

Easy! As a RAT!

36 posted on 06/06/2011 10:18:21 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke

The Conservative voices out there should confront Frum on this article. He shouldn’t be invited to any “conservative” events. You shouldn’t be able to write these things on CNN.com and get invited to anything where “conservatives” foot the bill. I saw John Podesta is now a Fox News All-Star Panelist. What on earth is the guy from the Center for American Progress doing as a paid contributer to Fox News? This can only mean that Fox News is not the Fox News we used to know.


37 posted on 06/06/2011 10:24:10 AM PDT by Windy City Conservative (Kyle Smith)
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To: Steel Wolf

Thanks for doing the job the rest of us prefer to avoid.

It’s perfectly evident what Frum is up to, without reading even a single word. He wants to support Establishment politicians who know how to soak up the gravy and gobble at the trough, because those are the guys who have lots of spare cash to throw to their stooges, helpers, and supporting pundits.

How else is Frum going to get rich, if not from the scraps that fall from the political banquet table?


38 posted on 06/06/2011 10:26:17 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How does a Canadian run for president of the United States, pray tell?

Same way a Kenyan does, I guess.

39 posted on 06/06/2011 10:34:22 AM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Progressivism, Support Palin, or get used to it.)
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To: Windy City Conservative
A classic Hugh Hewitt/David Frum interview. (Monday, October 26, 2009)
They start out discussing an article Frum wrote about the Scozzafava race in NY, but Hewitt quickly calls into question the man's character...

Excerpts:

HH: You know what? I can’t swear, David. I can’t swear. But I have really had it with this stuff. Your drive-by treatment of fellow conservatives is outrageous. And then not to be able to back it up and defend it by citing line and verse, is outrageous. It’s slanderous. It’s the worst kind of yellow journalism practiced by drive-by leftists who you ought not to have anything to do with. And I am P.O’d about it now.

DF: I’m sorry, are you, you are now saying that, the way, the things you just said, that’s responsible talk?

HH: Yes, I am, because I’ve got you on the air talking to me, and I’ll let you tee off on me. But when you drive-by me in Newsweek, when you put on your blog that in essence accuses me of hypocrisy, you don’t recognize it, and you won’t own it, and you can’t cite anything, David Frum. You are an outrageous example of the worst kind of yellow journalism out there. And the way you treat Limbaugh and Levin and Hannity, who do 50 times the work of keeping conservative principles alive in this country, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Later in the same interview...

HH: I am…wait a minute. I’m not…Mark Levin is my friend. I have practiced law alongside of Mark Levin for 25 years. He is an extraordinary intellect…

DF: Well, I wouldn’t go as far as that.

HH: He is a very principled lawyer. Well, on what basis? How do you slander Mark Levin? On what basis?

DF: How did I…sorry, I’m saying I wouldn’t go quite as far as you just did, but go ahead.

HH: What would you say about him? He is an accomplished lawyer. Are you a lawyer, David Frum?

DF: Well, I graduated from a law school.

HH: And did you pass the Bar?

DF: I didn’t ride the Bar.

HH: You never sat for the Bar?

DF: No.

HH: Then on what basis do you get off and attack Levin’s legal credentials then?

DF: You know, Hugh, I didn’t attack his legal credentials. I just wouldn’t go as far as you said, that he was an extraordinary intellect. I wouldn’t go as far as that.

http://www.hughhewitt.com/transcripts.aspx?id=e25ff8b4-ea79-4bee-b250-5141be7df6b1

40 posted on 06/06/2011 10:46:28 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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