Unbelievable and some of it is laughable. Must read whole statement and the remarks about Dupnik.
1 posted on
05/18/2011 12:38:17 PM PDT by
petitfour
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To: petitfour
Perhaps they can explain why they withheld emergency medical care for the guy.
2 posted on
05/18/2011 12:42:58 PM PDT by
driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
To: petitfour
In other words they haven’t put the finishing touches on their frame-up and whitewash of the incident.
3 posted on
05/18/2011 12:44:04 PM PDT by
Kartographer
(".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
To: petitfour
the safety was on and he could not fire. He could fire - if he put the safety off. The guy knew how to use a rifle. The fact the safety was off shows he had no INTENT to fire. The cops were, in fact, in no danger. Who gives a cr@p what the cops "thought". They were the most dangerous thing around that day.
4 posted on
05/18/2011 12:44:32 PM PDT by
Fido969
To: petitfour
Translation: “We’re not releasing any information until we get our cover stories straight.”
5 posted on
05/18/2011 12:44:54 PM PDT by
MeganC
(NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
To: petitfour
What do you have against paragraphs?
Try again, please.
6 posted on
05/18/2011 12:48:38 PM PDT by
Responsibility2nd
(I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
To: petitfour
I truly believe there is a cover-up that is taking place here. I cannot trust what the sheriff dept says at this time. They screwed up royally and a husband and father is dead, leaving a precious widow and two little boys to grieve. A crime has been committed here, imo.
The cops say the man pointed a gun at them. How are we to know this really happened? Trust them, you say? Hogwash! But think about it, if a group of men were trying to enter my house and I did not know them, then I sure would have a gun in my house, trying to defend my family. That does not give you any justification to shoot, just becasue you are the cops.
Surely there is a higher police authority investigating this? Do not trust the local sheriff's dept to be fair and impartial.
7 posted on
05/18/2011 12:48:45 PM PDT by
rawhide
To: petitfour
Allow me to translate:
We had a Confidential Informant who hosed us big time on this one. We need time to figure out how to explain the stupid things we did during this raid.
8 posted on
05/18/2011 12:49:46 PM PDT by
savedbygrace
(But God.)
To: petitfour
...the safety was on and he could not fire.So much for "safety." I've seen robbery surveillance videos where the defender is yanking away for a painfully long time on a gun with the "safety" engaged while under attack from the criminal, which didn't look very "safe" for the defender. I prefer my Glock.
9 posted on
05/18/2011 12:50:59 PM PDT by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
To: petitfour
![](http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/6/f5/37c/6f537c09-ae7c-5bf4-92b4-b18152ec2ee6-revisions/4dce0f1c13236.preview-300.jpg)
Jose Guerena, 26, former Marine
![](http://kold.images.worldnow.com/images/14604192_BG1.jpg)
Here is the man's grieving wife, Vanessa Guerena. They have two sons, ages 4 and 5.
10 posted on
05/18/2011 12:51:09 PM PDT by
rawhide
To: petitfour
Parties involved in the killing of other parties necessarily desire... Delay of dissemination of fact and persons involved in such action.
This is a reasonable thing when lawful action has been executed. Still, many fail to understand this thing.
12 posted on
05/18/2011 12:54:05 PM PDT by
mmercier
(feel the dream in you expire)
To: petitfour
I dont know the laws in Arizona but in California the warrant is supposed to be left at the houe at the time of its serving, which indicates the location to be searched and the items to be searched for. Affidavit in support of the warrant is normally released in California 10 days after it is served. (a few exceptions)
Any Arizona LEO’s out there that can chime in?
To: petitfour
Complicating matters is the fact that multiple agencies were involved in this incident. The criminal investigation must be completed, in addition to the investigation by the County Attorney's office, prior to any administrative review of the actions of the officers involved in the shooting. By mutual agreement, that administrative review will include officials from the Pima County Sheriff's Department, the Marana Police Department, the Oro Valley Police Department and the Sahuarita Police Department. Each of these agencies had officers involved in the shooting as members of the Pima Regional SWAT Team. This need to be investigated by the State Bureau of Investigation at least, maybe even the FBI. These local boys will have a desire to cover this up, no doubt in my mind. They are investigating their own, so we know how this is going to turn out? They do not want to look responsible for the killing.
16 posted on
05/18/2011 12:59:06 PM PDT by
rawhide
To: petitfour
On May 5, five members of the SWAT team fired 71 shots at Guerena while serving a search warrant at the 7100 block of South Redwater Drive. He was shot 60 times. The 26-year-old former Marine was sleeping at about 9:30 a.m. after working the graveyard shift at Asarco's Mission Mine when his wife woke him saying she heard noises outside and saw a man was at their window. Guerena told his wife to hide in a closet with their 4-year-old son, his wife said. He grabbed an AR-15 rifle and moments later was slumped in the kitchen, mortally wounded from a hail of gunfire.
Guerena did not fire a shot and his gun had the safety on, deputies said, after initially saying he had fired on the SWAT officers.
Sickening every time I read this!
18 posted on
05/18/2011 1:04:06 PM PDT by
rawhide
To: petitfour
Clarence Dupnik? The guy who blamed the entire Republican Party and Sarah Palin 15 minutes after Loughner stopped firing?
He's the guy talking about holding back information until the right time?
That Dupnik?
Must be a different guy. Not the Clarence we know.
25 posted on
05/18/2011 1:12:55 PM PDT by
Regulator
(Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
To: petitfour
43 seconds into
this video you get a pretty good look at some of the misses by SWAT on the back side of the house. Those holes are a good 5' up the wall and a reasonable group for a shooter under significant stress but they sure don't look much like they came from a shooter addressing a target that is crouched at the end of a hallway. There appear to be holes lower on the wall as well but if a standing target was on the way down......I can't do anything but speculate on this but the more I read about this the less the police story makes sense to me.
To: petitfour
I am firmly of the opinion that ALL “SWAT” teams need to be disbanded and the equipment sold at auction. There are simply WAY too many mistakes being made to allow their use to continue. “Dynamic entry” home invasions is what they really do. Nabbing a few drug dealers simply is NOT WORTH IT. The only time “SWAT” tactics “might” be justifiable is in a hostage situation.
To: petitfour
What is really going to hurt is when the widow receives the bill for the SWAT team expense.
To: petitfour; All
I found a contact page on the Pima County Sheriff’s website. I reported a murder.
32 posted on
05/18/2011 1:57:45 PM PDT by
DariusBane
(People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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33 posted on
05/18/2011 1:59:05 PM PDT by
DariusBane
(People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
To: petitfour
By the time they are done making up crap about this guy, he’ll be the leader of a stateside Hamas cell.
36 posted on
05/18/2011 2:19:33 PM PDT by
Grunthor
(RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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