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Drug thugs called greatest security threat in the Americas
Miami Herald ^ | 05/07/11 | MIMI WHITEFIELD

Posted on 05/07/2011 9:03:01 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

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To: EvasiveManuever
Thanks, Hitler for your point of view.

Godwin's Law?

Let me guess, you are a committed stoner and the mere thought of playing Russian Roulette with an illegal toxin offends you - well, the 35,000 murdered and counting from your suppliers offends me and every other person on this planet who are tired of supporting the worthless doper class.

"Mass Murderer" is sort of over the top. Its a self-inflicted wound, unlike the death and carnage that occurs against the innocent when stoners and junkies rob, loot and kill in order to underwrite their next fix.

Junkies and their merchants of death have a rich history in destroying cultures and societies. The dead, maimed and permanently ruined as a result of your sin of choice has a much higher toll of misery than Al Quaida, and look at the level and duration of violence many nations have invested in eradicating that menace that pales in comparison to that which is inflicted by your people.

Narcotics destroyed Columbia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Kosovo and nearly destroyed China a generation ago. Letting people like you self-inject the cure to this societal cancer is a small price to pay for the blessings of ridding your ilk from the face of this earth.

See, it is possible to play the over-the-top rhetoric game without invoking Nazi imagery.

41 posted on 05/07/2011 4:15:33 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: The Theophilus

As performed by Steppenwolf -

“The Pusher” (lyrics by Hoyt Axton)

You know I smoked a lot of grass.
Oh Lord! I popped a lot of pills.
But I’ve never touched nothin’
That my spirit couldn’t kill.
You know I’ve seen a lot of people walking ‘round
With tombstones in their eyes.
But the pusher don’t care
If you live — or if you die.

God Damn! The pusher.
God Damn! The pusher.
I said God Damn! God damn the pusher man.

You know the dealer, the dealer is a man
With a lump of grass in his hand.
But the pusher is a monster
Not a natural man.
The dealer for a nickel
Goin to sell you lots of sweet dreams.
Ah...but the pusher will ruin your body;
Lord he’ll leave your mind to scream.

God Damn! The pusher.
God Damn! God damn the pusher.
I said God Damn! God damn the pusher man.

Well now if I were the president of this land
You know I’d declare total war on the pusher man.
I’d cut him if he stands, and I’d shoot him if he run,
And I’d kill him with my bible, and my razor and my gun....

GOD DAMN! The pusher
God damn the pusher.
I said God damn! God damn the pusher man!


42 posted on 05/07/2011 5:09:07 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw
Your problem is this.

We have had a draconian "war on drugs" since Harry Anslinger got the Narcotics Act of 1914 passed, and the rate of drug addiction is exactly the same now as it was then.

But let's keep doing what we're doing. Let's make sure the drug cartels have so much money they can destroy entire nations.

I'm all for it.

I'm on your side.

43 posted on 05/07/2011 5:33:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: EvasiveManuever

Heroin deaths are up 100 percent in the St. Louis Metro area because of the purity, which is approaching 90 percent for the raw we are seizing.

It’s gotten bad enough that DOJ is starting to prosecute dealers for the deaths of their clients.

Now, keep it that pure and make it free, provided it you use it at a controlled enviroment and you sign a waiver, that was the high death tally scenario I was talking about.

I agree drug associated murders will go down, however, I believe violent crime will go up at least temporarily while gangs try to develop new ways to finance themselves. Armed robberies in particular.


44 posted on 05/07/2011 7:23:41 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: dennisw
Obviously you don’t think methedrine, heroin, cocaine, crack etc are poisons

No more so than alcohol. Nope. And since you MADE the statement, it's your burden to back it up. "Everybody thinks so" isn't proof.

And all but heroin are a lot less, by the way.

that often f up peoples minds and bodies permanently and your taxes end up paying for their welfare, medical and disability checks.

Often? Cocaine "often" causes "welfare, medical and disability checks"?

Do you have (I know you really don't) any idea how many doctors, lawyers, and wall street types use coke?

Of course if the drugs come in a form approved by the gov't, they're much safer, right? As long as the drug is effectively traded on NASDAQ - we're good?

Laughable.

45 posted on 05/07/2011 9:04:59 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: The Theophilus
Thanks, Hitler for your point of view.

Godwin's Law?

No, Moron's law, evidently. You outright called for the poisoning of thousands if not millions of people. Label fits.

Let me guess, you are a committed stoner and the mere thought of playing Russian Roulette with an illegal toxin offends you

Yeah, you're so clever. Let me guess, you're a pork fried cop made of testosterone and hog fat, with a 3" penis and Mommy issues, and you stomp dogs because it makes you feel well adjusted?

We done now?

well, the 35,000 murdered and counting from your

Beer deliveries? Vodka suppliers? Daylight shootouts with rum runners?
Ooops. Nope. All that is over. Because it was made legal, and the obscenity of profit and CORRUPTION was taken out of it.

We will trade 35,000 MURDERED for 15,000 overdosed.

I'm perfectly fine with that, given we also lose:
The Police State.
Surveillance.
Bank snooping.
IRS Reporting.
Warrant-less Searches.
Kicking in doors for plant matter.
Stomping goldfish to death.
Cops shooting innocents.
Crowded courts.
SWAT police tactics.
And we'll also get to fire about half the cops, jailors and other beneficiaries of the War on Drugs.

So yeah, I'm real good with it.

Maybe we can open up some Wal-Marts and we can put those brains to work returning carts and greeting customers.

46 posted on 05/07/2011 9:11:34 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: Molon Labbie
Heroin deaths are up 100 percent in the St. Louis Metro area because of the purity, which is approaching 90 percent for the raw we are seizing.

And do you suppose quality control is an inherent characteristic of LEGAL or ILLEGAL markets?

Just curious.

If it was "BAYER" Heroin (again, that is, for those that do not know history) would you think it would have a consistent quality and delivery? Or do you think junkies would have to guess?

I agree drug associated murders will go down, however, I believe violent crime will go up at least temporarily while gangs try to develop new ways to finance themselves. Armed robberies in particular.

We'd better make some new laws RIGHT NOW. We need to outlaw EVERYTHING - because potentially, Gangs could do something to make more money. And they could do it FROM ANYTHING!!! We have a LOT of work to do. Everything is a problem!!

The Committee To Make Everything Illegal.

CMEI.Hmm... not very catchy.

SUNFO? Save Us Now From Ourselves?

No matter, we'll get the slogans down in time for the photo op.

47 posted on 05/07/2011 9:16:55 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Just shut down the friggin’ border with our troops. Force everything through legal ports of entry. When they fire a shot at our efforts, hit ‘em with a couple of warheads until they shut up. It’s that simple.


48 posted on 05/07/2011 9:18:31 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So..I gather you think making illegal drub legal would be a good thing.
The cartels would be just become legal multi millonaires. You think that the cartels would just quit because it would be legal. they would become protected companies.
Americans have enough trouble with drunks. WHy have drugs add to the problems.
Seal the border and fry dealers. Dry the supply and the problem fixes itself.


49 posted on 05/08/2011 1:48:53 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Ken H

Why don’t the cartels simply move in and run the alcohol trade.
That’s an easy answer one alcohol users require taste and quality two stoners could care less what they smoke just as long as they get stoned.


50 posted on 05/08/2011 2:58:49 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Yorlik803
Seal the border and fry dealers.

So, in order to save the law we kill it and turn to an elite force of police vigilantes who have the power to kill people that they deem drug dealers.

You're so smart.

But I agree with you. I think absolute chaos and a criminal government is the way to go.

51 posted on 05/08/2011 3:42:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: EvasiveManuever

OK ... so you’re nuts.


52 posted on 05/08/2011 3:59:43 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Your kindergarten level sarcasm would be improved if you stopped ingesting substances


53 posted on 05/08/2011 4:09:30 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw
Your kindergarten level sarcasm would be improved if you stopped ingesting substances.

You want to give law enforcement agencies the right to kill people that they simply believe to be engaged in drug trafficking, no evidence or due process required, and you say I'm doing drugs.

You're the one in kindergarten.

It would be funny if this rogue agency you want would decide that they like your house, and to get it all they had to do was kill you and say you were a drug dealer.

That would be hilarious.

I'd be surprised if you have two brain cells in a row.

54 posted on 05/08/2011 4:20:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: Yorlik803
Seal the border and fry dealers. 

Try 'em and fry 'em. Or hang them

Dry the supply and the problem fixes itself.

A fence on the Mexican border with 5,000-10,000 military patrolling it would seal it shut same as Israel does with fences, sensors and patrols
But the Feds never want to do the easiest, simplest and cheapest plus we have an open borders lobby in DC
Mexico sends us most of the illegal drugs we get. As such they are an enemy nation. A narco nation. If they can't sell their poison drugs here the Mexican narco-gangs go bust. We would be doing Mexico a great favor by sealing the Mexican border and keeping out Mexican trucks.
Seal that border and the drug flow will be 5-10% what it is now and same for illegal aliens

55 posted on 05/08/2011 4:27:00 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Come on....how about some more of your withering sarcasms? Now you get serious all of a sudden? I can't handle that.


56 posted on 05/08/2011 4:31:09 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And where did I say “Elite force of police Vigilantes who have the power to kill people they deem drug dealers”?
I guess you enjoy people screwing up their lives with drug. Maybe you get a good laugh, who know.
people like you crack me up. Let legalize everything illegal. That would drop the crime rates down to zero. Win win all the way round, right.The Jails would be empty, the courts would be quiet. The body count might go up, but hey, who cares? We can all get high and forget about things. Toke up bud. I have a right to smoke crack or shoot smack, so screw you. And then after I am hooked, the government will pay for my rehab. Good deal.28 weeks in rehab on the taxpayer nickle. Paid vacation , dude.
Drugs are not like booze. Drugs have a long lasting effect on the people who use them and the country as a whole. Sometimes we have a right to protect the country against things.
get you head out of the glue bag buddy. See the real world instead of that libertarian utopia you see when you hit the bong.
57 posted on 05/08/2011 7:01:46 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803

I’m being attacked by two Nanny-staters at once. It’s hard to keep their nonsense straight.


58 posted on 05/08/2011 8:55:51 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: dennisw; Yorlik803
I am not disagreeing with you Nanny-staters.

I think the government should protect us from all things harmful, especially ourselves, because people who work for government are far smarter and better than we are.

And if the drug laws are channeling so much money to criminals that they have more money than their governments, that's their government's fault. They should tax the peasants more.

And we shouldn't stop with drugs. If people are fat, we should criminalize fatty foods, whatever that means. Results don't matter. It's our INTENTIONS that matter. We can do anything we want as long as our INTENTIONS are pure.

59 posted on 05/08/2011 9:07:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: dennisw
That's all you got?

Anybody who is appalled by the things the WOD has brought like asset forfeiture laws that allow cops to legally steal and entire police departments taking bribes from drug dealers must be a druggie.

I don't even touch alcohol. I bet you do though, don't ya?

60 posted on 05/08/2011 9:28:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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