Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Home-Brewed Fusion General Fusion’s proof-of-concept device in the company’s austere headquarters, in Burnaby, British Columbia John B. Carnett

1 posted on 05/06/2011 12:24:38 PM PDT by Red Badger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Red Badger

We’ve been disappointed in these things before. But I still suspect that something like this may be possible.

Even the founder of Amazon can have the wool pulled over his eyes. But he seems to be a pretty sharp guy. And unlike the inventor of Facebook, he actually offers people something extremely useful, rather than merely fashionable, as I have found over the years.


2 posted on 05/06/2011 12:27:23 PM PDT by Cicero
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger

4 posted on 05/06/2011 12:30:04 PM PDT by RockinRight (Can't think of anything to say...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger

“....this technique essentially uses a magnetic field and plasma to break lithium down into helium and tritium,”.....

Which is Fission.

So then, how much energy is required to start this fission reaction, what additional “undesireable” byproducts are produced, how much energy is produced from the fusion reaction and what’s the delta between the fission and th fusion reaction?

Hmmmm.

Does
not
compute.......


5 posted on 05/06/2011 12:31:01 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger
Intriguing ideas... but the whole mechanical system just.. That in itself seems like such a engineering nightmare that continuing development without coming up with a replacement for that seems very unproductive. Keeping a mechanical system in sync within 1ms over a period of years? Because every shutdown is just that much more energy that has to be pumped into the system to restart it.

And the liquid lead heat transfer system...I don't know if even that's possible to do without pumping in enormous amounts of energy into processing the lead to make it pure enough to be functional in this system.

Maybe I'm completely off base here, but just seems like this is a whole lot of money right down the drain. I do hope, however, that the data that results from the experiments and exploration of the technology eventually gets released.

8 posted on 05/06/2011 12:47:05 PM PDT by kingu (Legislators should read what they write!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger

All that is missing is a couple of flux capacitors and they will be home free.


12 posted on 05/06/2011 1:17:20 PM PDT by org.whodat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger

Nothing but a fraud.

The nuclear reaction is that Lithium-6 absorbs a neutron and splits into He-4 (a/k/a helium) and H-3 (a/k/a, hydrogen-3 or tritium). Tritium then fuses with H-2 (a/k/a deuterium), making He-4 and a very high energy neutron (14.1 MeV).

Here’s one problem - The Lithium-6 absorbs thermal (low energy neutrons) so you have to slow down those 14.1 MeV neutrons. We know how to do this, but you’re not doing it in the plasma.

Here’s the showstopper - you need one neutron to be absorbed by the lithium, and the deuterium - tritium reaction only produces one neutron. So, unless you can have every neutron produced by the deuterium - tritium reaction be absorbed by lithium, you are going to run out of the tritium produced by the lithium. And you cannot rig a system so that every neutron will be absorbed by lithium. Some of the neutrons will leak out of the system and be lost while some will be absorbed by structural materials.

Let us assume that somehow every neutron produced from the deuterium - tritium reaction gets absorbed by lithium-6. We still need to process the lithium to extract every single tritium atom. No one is that good of a chemical engineer.

I can come up with schemes to multiply the neutrons (slow them down and run them through a nearly-critical uranium lattice, for instance). You get a lot of energy, but you also produce highly-radioactive fission products.

And, of course, those high-energy neutrons will be absorbed in structure materials, causing them to become radioactive.

Back when I was in grad school in the 1970s, my advisor, whose PhD thesis was, at that time, the second most cited paper in fusion reactor (tokamak) blankets, which face the same problems I describe above. He argued that one had to have 20-20 vision to see a practical fusion device, by which he meant we might see one by the year 2020. So here we are 35 years later, and, while I no longer pay much attention to fusion, we really are not much closer to a practical machine than we were in 1975.

Bezos can kiss his investment good-bye.


13 posted on 05/06/2011 1:26:17 PM PDT by bagman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger

The competition

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2715435/posts


15 posted on 05/06/2011 2:04:44 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger

Lithium is really not that cheap or plentiful. There are numerous people worried about how we’re going to build EVs and equip them with lithium batteries.


16 posted on 05/06/2011 2:58:39 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger
They claim to have already obtained controlled fusion, the earlier link embedded in the article. The 'ground up' approach seems more worthwhile than bureaucratic behemoths such as ITER. If a large project, say, the space shuttle program, were started from scratch with today's tech it would look more like Spacex and get more 'bang for the buck'. The money pits of many grandiose governmental schemes have yielded little, if any, innovation in the recent decades. It sounds like a worthwhile investment. I only hope the people involved with ITER will 'lower' themselves enough to consider the knowledge gained for everyone's benefit.

This is not producing energy. It is showing that less than %1 of currently allotted budgets can produce real results.
21 posted on 05/06/2011 7:35:44 PM PDT by allmost
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger

I knew Jeff Bezos back in high school, he was a science genius. In fact, I thought he would end up being a physicist. This guy knows what he is doing.


22 posted on 05/06/2011 9:16:58 PM PDT by Paradox (Obama gets Trumped.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Red Badger
But at least one person with a proven track record in recognizing potential when he sees it has taken an interest in a fusion-powered future: Amazon founder and gazillionaire Jeff Bezos

He probably wants to forget about this investment.


23 posted on 05/06/2011 11:15:12 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson