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Ron Paul antes up on abortion ("life comes from our creator, not our government")
Politico ^ | 2011-04-11 | Andy Barr

Posted on 04/21/2011 6:54:18 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

Ron Paul on Monday created some distance between himself and his fellow libertarians on abortion, telling a gathering of social conservatives in Iowa that protecting the unborn is integral to his philosophy.

Speaking for the Iowa Family Leader's presidential lecture series in Sioux City, Paul said that he is troubled when he hears libertarians advocate for abortion rights. Describing conversations with supporters, the Texas congressman and presidential hopeful said he often here a “libertarian type of argument” along the lines of “it’s the woman’s body. She can do whatever she wants. She can have an abortion.”

“I don’t like them to use that argument – that believing in liberty means you can kill the unborn,” Paul said.

Paul contended that libertarianism and opposing abortion are not separate philosophies, but rather stem from the same belief structure.

“Life comes from our creator, not our government. Liberty comes from our creator, not from government,” he said. “Therefore, the purpose, if there is to be a purpose, for government is to protect life and liberty.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; abortion; libertarian; lping; prolife; rlc; ronpaul
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“Life comes from our creator, not our government.
Liberty comes from our creator, not from government.
Therefore, the purpose, if there is to be a purpose,
for government is to protect life and liberty.”

U.S. REP. RON PAUL, R-TEXAS, 11 APR. 2011
1 posted on 04/21/2011 6:54:22 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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fyi


2 posted on 04/21/2011 6:55:09 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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3 posted on 04/21/2011 7:03:33 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, this won’t turn me into an overnight Ron Paul fan, but I’m very glad to hear it.

Has he said this sort of thing before? I can’t remember anything like this. Does he really mean it?


4 posted on 04/21/2011 7:08:00 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: rabscuttle385

Beautifully argued, but it won’t convince Ayn Rand atheists.


5 posted on 04/21/2011 7:21:02 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Cicero
Does he really mean it?

Paul was an OB-GYN who delivered babies - I think he meant what he said.

6 posted on 04/21/2011 7:23:10 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness--in that order. The child's life before the mother's liberty or happiness. The mother's life before the child's life. Only in the case of imminent death of the mother can taking the child's life be justified. Not being able to go to law school is not a threat to her life, nor is not being able to afford a new kitchen. Not being able to undergo chemotherapy for a life-threatening cancer is a threat to her life, and is justification for abortion.

Jefferson knew what he was doing when he wrote those priorities in that order. It was not just a list of fundamental rights; more importantly, it was a guideline for future legal decisions.

7 posted on 04/21/2011 7:25:03 PM PDT by giotto
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More than a few libertarians are deeply pro-life. The fetus is regarded by many of us as worthy of all the human rights we all should enjoy.


8 posted on 04/21/2011 7:25:50 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s a big improvement over most libertarians. Yet it’s obviously too comPlicated. A woman can Do whatever she wants to with her body— including when she hasn’t been born yet.

The government has no basis for selecting innocent people as legal targets for discretionary killing. It’s no different than if the federal government ruled 19 year olds are not legally human. The govt lacks that legit power.

Abortion rights libertarians don’t make sense.


9 posted on 04/21/2011 7:32:43 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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Does Dr Paul mean it? Absolutely.

I have been a fan and supporter of his since the 70s when I lived in Texas (not in his district). He was Prolife then; he is Prolife now.

In 1983 Dr Paul published Abortion and Liberty a booklet in which he set forth explicitly his Prolife, anti-death views.

Dr Paul is a man of principle and honesty. There need be no qualms about his Prolife commitment.

10 posted on 04/21/2011 7:35:39 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: rabscuttle385

Does he really mean it?


Paul was an OB-GYN who delivered babies - I think he meant what he said.
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Ron Paul has long been a “Pro-Life” Libertarian. When he ran for President as a Libertarian in 1988 that was a part of his platform. And while I’m very glad to hear him reaffirm it, I still won’t support him....


11 posted on 04/21/2011 7:45:28 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: rabscuttle385

Geez, a mature adult when faced with a choice of their own life or that of their child, willingly gives up their own life so that the child may live. Duh.


12 posted on 04/21/2011 7:49:43 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: lonestar67

Abortion is as arbitrary as slavery.


13 posted on 04/21/2011 7:50:26 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: rabscuttle385
The bedrock principle underlying the Declaration of Independence and the subsequent Constitution of the United States:

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. The hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." - Thomas Jefferson

14 posted on 04/21/2011 8:18:48 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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Yes, he has, and, yes, he does. He opposes Roe on Constitutional grounds. He wouldn’t support federal legislation outlawing abortion (but would cut off funding), also for Constitutional reasons. He does think that states can outlaw abortions.


15 posted on 04/21/2011 8:26:18 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: rabscuttle385

Awesome quote.
God bless him.

Whether you like Ron Paul or not, he has the courage of his convictions.


16 posted on 04/21/2011 8:59:14 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: rabscuttle385

Awesome quote.
God bless him.

Whether you like Ron Paul or not, he has the courage of his convictions.


17 posted on 04/21/2011 8:59:29 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: Cicero

Yes, he’s always been pro-life


18 posted on 04/21/2011 9:00:18 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: rabscuttle385

Has he repudiated his long-time pro-choice for states position?


19 posted on 04/21/2011 9:01:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Sadly, the Fourth Estate has become the Fifth Column.)
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"So while Roe v. Wade is invalid, a federal law banning abortion across all 50 states would be equally invalid."

-- Ron Paul, Federalizing Social Policy, January 31, 2006

20 posted on 04/21/2011 9:05:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Sadly, the Fourth Estate has become the Fifth Column.)
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