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1 posted on 04/05/2011 6:11:33 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Hannibal never had a plan for breaching Rome’s walls.


2 posted on 04/05/2011 6:28:45 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem

Interesting take on history (and current events).


3 posted on 04/05/2011 6:30:00 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: neverdem
Livy, History of Rome, Book 26, Section 11

The following day Hannibal crossed the Anio and led out the whole of his force to battle; Flaccus and the consuls did not decline the challenge. When both sides were drawn up to decide an action in which Rome was the victor's prize, a tremendous hailstorm threw the two armies into such disorder that they had difficulty in holding their arms. They retired to their respective camps, fearing everything rather than their enemy. The following day, when the armies were drawn up in the same position, a similar storm separated them. On each occasion, after they were once more in camp, the weather cleared up in an extraordinary way. The Carthaginians looked upon the occasion as preternatural, and the story runs that Hannibal was heard to say that at one time he lacked the will, at another the opportunity, of becoming master of Rome. His hopes were further damped by two incidents, one of some importance, the other less so. The more important was his receiving information that while he was actually in arms near the walls of Rome a force had marched out fully equipped, under their standards, to reinforce the army in Spain. The other incident, which he learnt from a prisoner, was the sale by auction of the spot on which he had fixed his camp, and the fact that, in spite of his occupation of it, there was no abatement in the price. That any one should have been found in Rome to buy the ground which he was holding in possession as spoil of war, seemed to Hannibal such an insulting piece of arrogance that he instantly summoned a crier and made him give notice of the sale of the silversmiths' shops round the Forum of Rome.

5 posted on 04/05/2011 6:38:22 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: neverdem

I always thought Sparta had the right idea of no walls. They basically trap you inside as much as keeping the enemy out.

Also Rome had a real weakness in the aqueducts.


6 posted on 04/05/2011 6:38:38 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: neverdem

The most surprising thing to Hannibal was the Roman will. The Romans had suffered stunning losses at the hands of Hannibal. The normal response, the Grecian way, was surrender.

Instead, the Romans raised another Army and kept fighting. Hannibal was doomed from the start and eventually the Romans beat Carthage in Carthage.


9 posted on 04/05/2011 7:14:11 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem

Thank you for this, and try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhvrdG26vI&feature=related


10 posted on 04/05/2011 7:27:48 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: neverdem

Good article and apt analogies.


12 posted on 04/05/2011 7:39:42 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: neverdem
One can learn valuable lessons from Spartacus. He demonstrated that Rome could be defeated by an army of slaves.

Unfortunately, after escaping from Rome, he gave in to poor advice from those who wanted to return to Rome for the simple act of revenge. You know the rest.

13 posted on 04/05/2011 8:27:34 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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15 posted on 04/05/2011 10:54:48 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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