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To: wagglebee

OK........deep breath...YES, I believe an unborn child is a person...any person with average reasoning skills can easily deduce this from my post, and from my posting history...I also believe it is a waste of time and money fighting this on the national scale, as it has been since roe vs wade..this is why the feds should be out of it entirely..on a state level this can be systmeatically attacked and defeated state by state...and to put a nail in it, are you saying it is better to have it legal in all states than illegal in some????? this will be a long and drawn out fight( it has already lasted over 40 years ) and anyway to make it simpler to fight, and any victory, would be monumental....


97 posted on 04/04/2011 12:31:01 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: joe fonebone; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
OK........deep breath...YES, I believe an unborn child is a person...

Then why do you believe that a state should be allowed to enact laws saying that a person can be killed arbitrarily? Where do you find this in the Constitution?

I also believe it is a waste of time and money fighting this on the national scale, as it has been since roe vs wade..this is why the feds should be out of it entirely..

Newsflash for you it already is a federal issue, the ONLY WAY anything is done to end abortion is if the Supreme Court rules or if a constitutional amendment declares the unborn to be people. You can say all day long that it should be a state issue, but first you must get the federal government to agree.

are you saying it is better to have it legal in all states than illegal in some?

I'm saying the entire issue is red herring used by pro-aborts to appear pro-life.

104 posted on 04/04/2011 12:43:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: joe fonebone
OK........deep breath...YES, I believe an unborn child is a person.

Those who will admit to this obvious fact, and then allow the states to kill the persons in question anyway, are, in fact, worse than Justice Harry Blackmun, the author of the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade.

After all, even he admitted that if the fetus is a person, they are "OF COURSE" protected specifically by the Constitution.

"The appellee and certain amici argue that the fetus is a 'person' within the language and meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. In support of this, they outline at length and in detail the well known facts of fetal development. If this suggestion of personhood is established, the appellant's case, of course, collapses, for the fetus' right to life would then be guaranteed specifically by the Amendment."

-- Justice Harry A. Blackmun, Roe vs. Wade, 1973

He dehumanized them, then said go ahead and kill them.

Y'all don't even bother with the fig leaf.

109 posted on 04/04/2011 12:57:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a personhood pro-lifer, your conservatism is fatally flawed.)
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To: joe fonebone

in the last 38 years only ONE state introduced legislation to make abortion illegal and that legislation failed. So I don’t know how you formed an opinion about how abortion can be repealed by the states rather than with a federal human life amendment. ONE state in 38 years.


120 posted on 04/04/2011 8:15:10 PM PDT by Coleus (Adult Stem Cells Work, there is NO Need to Harvest Babies for Their Body Parts!)
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