Posted on 03/09/2011 5:20:05 PM PST by mcosta79
During the debates and discussions on the amnesty bill, representatives of the Chamber and agricultural interests openly acknowledged that their members are employing illegal labor. LDS church officials maintained a permanent presence in the restricted areas of the legislature where they had direct access to legislators out of sight of the public.
The leadership of both houses of the Utah legislature worked hand-in-hand with the pro-illegal immigration coalition and forced through a guestworker program with virtually no debate and without even allowing House members to read the bill in a late-night session last Friday, March 4.
Tactics employed by the Chamber, agriculture, and the LDS Church, coupled with the power play executed by the leaders of the Utah House of Representatives and the Utah state Senate, have been described as "Washington and Chicago politics come to Utah."
Many observers noted that the passage of the Utah amnesty/guestworker bill was virtually identical to the way national health insurance was rammed through Congress. Utah legislative leaders supported by powerful interest groups used pure political muscle to ensure passage of an unpopular bill that those voting hadn't read.
(Excerpt) Read more at cis.org ...
*those businesses which are politically connected, that is. Those without friends in high places have to compete in the free market, instead of in the bidding war for laws and lawmakers.
"When (now-Senator) Luz Robles served as Director of the Governor’s Office of Ethnic Affairs she also served in a concurrent role on a committee (the CCIME) that makes recommendations to the President of Mexico regarding citizens living in the U.S. and Canada." ANYONE SHOCKED, SHOCKED THAT SHE IS A DEMOCRAT?
"Sutherland Institute Urges Gov. Herbert to Sign Comprehensive Immigration Bill" NOTE THE NAME OF THIS LEGISLATION! Sutherland is funded in part by the CATO Institute, another open borders libertarian outfit. http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/article_detail.php?id=3022&type=Press+Releases
The citizens of Utah need to consider that they are embracing invasion and treason.
The next step is to throw Utah out of the Union and declare it in insurrection.
Then strip the state of federal voting rights and appoint a military governor.
This is what happened in the South after the Civil War and it can be repeated.
SALT LAKE CITY — A controversial immigration package approved by Utah lawmakers last week has groups on both sides of the debate threatening to boycott and sue the state.
Read more: http://www.sunherald.com/2011/03/09/2929612/lawsuits-threatened-over-utah.html#ixzz1G9lbQiRh
the guest worker program included in the legislation violates federal law and
the enforcement law also puts illegal immigrants in constant fear of police and makes them reluctant to report workplace accidents or mistreatment by an employer.What criminals do not have constant fear of police and makes them reluctant to report crimes all of them do. This is more wishful thinking, Utah lawmakers cannot pass immigration reform and at the same time Arizona is being sued by Obama for taking on illegal immigration.It cannot be legal there and illegal in Arizona.
Sure it can.......Have you met our Attorney General :)
“Tactics employed by the Chamber, agriculture, and the LDS Church, coupled with the power play executed by the leaders of the Utah House of Representatives and the Utah state Senate, have been described as “Washington and Chicago politics come to Utah.”
Could some FReeper who is LDS please explain why the Mormons are for illegal immigration?
Or are they doing the RINO’s brown nosing of the “Bronze People” for memberships instead of votes?
Ironically, Robles’ bill was actually defeated.
Is there ANYONE who can challenge the corrupting influences of the LDS Church in Utah? ANY Republican who can take a stand against them and remain standing?
So what is this story about, if not the passage of her bill? What bill passed? Whose bill passed? Was there some kind of “compromise”? How does this bill differ from hers?
Apparently the Robles bill never had the votes. They said nice things about her to pander, and then voted it down. the real villain in many ways is Sandstrom himself. He allowed his bill to be repeatedly watered down and then overwhelmed by the amnesty bill. Not only did he not fight it, but he then proceeded to CO-SPONSOR the new bill to arrange illegals to come in from Nuevo Laredo, Mexico! He actually said he was doing it to try and "convince Latinos he wasn't against them"!!! I'll find the link for you. We are preparing a post on the entire process for Stand With Arizona later.
Good grief. A complete betrayal and and destruction of the rule of law. It is worse than I imagined.
Ping!
Here's my take on it as a very active member of the Church:
A lot of talk has gone on about the position of the Church of Jesus Chrisit of Latter-day Saints on the immigration issue in the United States.
Particularly in light of Utah's recent legislation on immigration, which in part was influenced by the Church. As I understand it, that legislation is calling for Utah law enforcement to look into the immigration status of any criminals they aprehend, and to inform the US Federal Government of those here illegally. It also calls for the creation of a Guest Worker program in Utah that people here illegally can become a part of if they are currently working in the State, and after they pay a fine for their illegal entry and are otherwise not guilty of other criminal activity.
The Church clearly teaches its members to obey and sustain the law of the land, which in America means constitutional law because any law that violates the US Constitution is, in itself illegal.
The Church is also in the business of seeking to bring souls to Jesus Christ and to follow His injunction to seek out the poor and afflicted, and that "in as much as ye have done it to the least of these my bretheren, ye have done it unto me."
As a result of these two positions, in the summer of 2010 the Church issued an official statement on the matter. it reads:
"The complex issues surrounding immigration are a matter of increasing concern and debate for all in this country.My own feeling, not in any way officially speaking for the Church, but as an active member of the Church who has held several local peadership positions, is this:
"Elected individuals have the primary responsibility to find solutions in the best interests of all whose lives will be impacted by their actions.
"We repeat our appeal for careful reflection and civil discourse when addressing immigration issues. Finding a successful resolution will require the best thinking and goodwill of all across the political spectrum, the highest levels of statesmanship, and the strongest desire to do what is best for all of God's children."
Illegal immigration is exactly that, it is "illegal". It should not be condoned. Any member of the Church who knows of somneone who is here illegally should do all they can to influence that person to cease their illegal activity and do wahtever they can and must do to become a legal resident and stop breaking the law.
At the same time, those individuals are children of God and should be treated as such, particularly those who are hard working, family oriented, and who are involved in non-threatening behavoir or work. We should show compassion and charity to them. This does not mean we condone illegal behavoir.
Finally, we are all a part of a free, Republic where we have responsibilities to be a part of electing our government and exerting our influence on ensuring that our laws are equitable and condusive to maintaining our freedoms.
I do not believe we do that through amnesty. I do not believe we do that be rewarding illegal behavior. I do not believe we do that by trying to "buy" votes or by trying to change our society by allowing an influx of tens of millions of people who do not understand how our government or free way of life works.
We do it through having equitable laws that are clearly defined and that promote the values upon which our nation was built. Those values include a trust in God, a recognition of His laws and guidance in our life, those values include individual charity towards those in need (coersion to "help" by the government is not charity...it is coersion) they include a strong work ethic and a commitment to fundamental moral principle and an understanding of and commitment to the U.S. Constitution and how our nation is a nation of three federal governmentaal bodies (Executive, Legislative and Judicial) and two overall governmental bodies, State Government and National Government, where the states are the soveriegn creators of the national government and to whom we as citizens defer in government when something is not specifically spelled out in the US federal Constitution.
Therefore, we should clearly identify and defend our borders against invasion or incursion, either by hostile force, or by illegal entry. To not do so means we surrender our borders, and in time, our culture, our way of life, and our constitutional law. We should have a clearly defined immigration program that allows people to immigrate here legally and that program should be followed and no one, particularly those who have entered this nation illegaally should be a given a free pass, or avenue to the front of that line. Entry into that line, and ultimate citizenship should be a reward for hard work and commitment, legally.
As a nation, if enough people get behind oit, we may develop a "guest worker" program. Any such program should not be a path to citizenship outside of our legal immigration laws. Any such program should specifcally state several things. Among others, that 1) No anchor baby provision applies to any such program. 2) Outside of emergency services, no welfare or so-called 'entitlement" programs apply to any such program. 3) That the specific nature of the work is defined. 4) That the specific duration for any visa under any such program is defined. 5) That any such program give first choice and deferrment to American citizens seeking the work. 6) That no one with a criminal background is eligable for such a program, including no one oidentified as a terrorist or in any other way as an enemy to the United States.
If we would do these things, meaning 1) Identify and defend our border (by creating a defended border where our Law Enforcement or military if necessary is watching and keeping theatening or illegal individuals from crossing it, 2) Have a very clearly defined and implemented legal immigration program, and 3) Ensure that any "guest worker" program is set up to not threaten, interfere, or side step the first two, and be clearly defined and temporary in nature which defers first to American citizens...then we would in quick order resolve our illegal immigration" problem. Those who want to come here and conduct illegal activity would not be allowed and would be hunted down and removed. Those who want to come here illegally and try and take advantage of US citizen and tax payer created prgram would also not be welcomed and sought, apprehended and removed, those who want to immigrate could get in line to do that, and those seeking temporary gainful employ could get in line for that program.
By removing any incentive to conduct illegal activity or to become a free-loader (neither of which is good for either the country or the individual so involved) we would see many if not most pof those types of individuals self-deport. The rest we would have to seek out, punish and then forcibly remove.
I personally believe that the statement by the Church allows for all of what I just stated, and personally believe, based on what I have read of the immigration initiatives being proposed in Utah, that this is they type of thing they are seeking in that state. Time will tell. If it is, and some of the response we see to it is simply knee-jerk reaction, then the people of Utah will get the laws from the representatives they elect, and if those laws are along the lines of what I just mentioned, they will be better for it.
On the other hand, if these laws are indeed an effort to get around our existing law, then I expect the people of Utah will quickly recognize it and correct it through elections that get people in there who will overturn and undo any laws to the contrary that may get jammed through temporarily. I am hoping for the former, and knowing as many people as I do in the State of Utah, and having watched their voting record for decades (which is among the most conservative voting record of most states in the Union) believe that is the case...and if not, then those same people will not put up with anything to the contrary for long.
Hope that helps, but it is my impression from up here in Idaho. Click here to see my "Proposal to Secure our Southern Border"
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