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Supercritical Carbon Dioxide Brayton-Cycle Turbines Promise Giant Leap
Eurekalert ^ | March 04, 2011 | Neal Singer

Posted on 03/06/2011 5:07:27 PM PST by Wonder Warthog

Sandia National Laboratories researchers are moving into the demonstration phase of a novel gas turbine system for power generation, with the promise that thermal-to-electric conversion efficiency will be increased to as much as 50 percent — an improvement of 50 percent for nuclear power stations equipped with steam turbines, or a 40 percent improvement for simple gas turbines. The system is also very compact, meaning that capital costs would be relatively low.

Research focuses on supercritical carbon dioxide (S-CO2) Brayton-cycle turbines, which typically would be used for bulk thermal and nuclear generation of electricity, including next-generation power reactors. The goal is eventually to replace steam-driven Rankine cycle turbines, which have lower efficiency, are corrosive at high temperature and occupy 30 times as much space because of the need for very large turbines and condensers to dispose of excess steam. The Brayton cycle could yield 20 megawatts of electricity from a package with a volume as small as four cubic meters.

The Brayton cycle, named after George Brayton, originally functioned by heating air in a confined space and then releasing it in a particular direction. The same principle is used to power jet engines today.

"This machine is basically a jet engine running on a hot liquid," said principal investigator Steve Wright of Sandia's Advanced Nuclear Concepts group. "There is a tremendous amount of industrial and scientific interest in supercritical CO2 systems for power generation using all potential heat sources including solar, geothermal, fossil fuel, biofuel and nuclear."

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This article discusses recent developments in a new, very high efficiency generator technology which apparently can significantly upgrade current electrical generation plants.
1 posted on 03/06/2011 5:07:35 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/supercritical-carbon-dioxide-brayton.html

http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2951

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-03-supercritical-carbon-dioxide-brayton-turbines.html

Working links.

Note the comparison of relative sizes of the generators from the “Next Big Future” article. This thing is TINY compared to current devices.


2 posted on 03/06/2011 5:10:45 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Not only that but turbine ship power.


3 posted on 03/06/2011 5:10:45 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
“The system is also very compact, meaning that capital costs would be relatively low.”

The system may be very compact, and it may also have capital costs — that does not mean that the one necessarily follows the other.

4 posted on 03/06/2011 5:11:03 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
have low capital costs ....
5 posted on 03/06/2011 5:11:56 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Wonder Warthog

wow!


6 posted on 03/06/2011 5:12:57 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
"The system may be very compact, and it may also have capital costs — that does not mean that the one necessarily follows the other."

Not necessarily, true. But there seems to be very little that is "exotic" about the physical infrastructure, so I would indeed expect it to be significantly less expensive.

7 posted on 03/06/2011 5:13:36 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

For anything to be promising we have to survive 2 more years of Obama. It will be a close call at best.


8 posted on 03/06/2011 5:16:29 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: tet68
"Not only that but turbine ship power."

Indeed. One of the links has comments on the ramifications of the reduced size and increased efficiency for nuclear subs and carriers. Steam turbines are "big". By comparison, this thing is a gnat.

9 posted on 03/06/2011 5:17:55 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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If it works, the eco-freaks will find some reason why we cannot use it.

The last thing on earth they want is cheaper energy.

10 posted on 03/06/2011 5:19:16 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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"If it works, the eco-freaks will find some reason why we cannot use it. The last thing on earth they want is cheaper energy."

Unfortunately true. But I think in this case it will be a "hard sell" to the public, because it will inherently reduce environmental impact of existing sources, and make new sources economically feasible. One of the links talks about current small "waste-to-heat" plants (like city and industrial incinerators) which don't currently produce electricity, but with these small, highly efficienct units, become feasible electrical power sources with NO (zero) increase in emissions.

11 posted on 03/06/2011 5:23:17 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If it works, the eco-freaks will find some reason why we cannot use it.

If it leaks, just think of all the CO2 that will be released!! /s

12 posted on 03/06/2011 5:25:04 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“If it works, the eco-freaks will find some reason why we cannot use it. “

Don’t forget the Feds.


13 posted on 03/06/2011 5:25:04 PM PST by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: screaminsunshine
"For anything to be promising we have to survive 2 more years of Obama. It will be a close call at best."

Oh, I think we'll survive "two" years with damage. But if he gets re-elected, I'm not so sure. Fortunately, evidence of his incompetence piles up day after day after day.

14 posted on 03/06/2011 5:29:54 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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Supercritical Carbon Dioxide Brayton-Cycle Turbines Promise Giant Leap

"Oh, Gawd! Gag me with that cheap suit! If you come any closer, I swear I'll jump!

15 posted on 03/06/2011 5:29:59 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Every knife in my back pushes me forward.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Makes more sense than the crap the greenies are pushing


16 posted on 03/06/2011 5:33:43 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I wonder how many times we’re going to see this.


17 posted on 03/06/2011 5:36:06 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: the invisib1e hand
"Oh, Gawd! Gag me with that cheap suit! If you come any closer, I swear I'll jump!"

Heh! I didn't write the headline....just posted it. Yeah, there's just a "tiny" bit of hyperbole there.

18 posted on 03/06/2011 5:38:08 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: sasquatch

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2683507/posts


19 posted on 03/06/2011 5:38:35 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: Wonder Warthog

This may be a major development. This is the type of thing our National Laboratories should be doing rather than wasting resources on Solar and Wind.


20 posted on 03/06/2011 5:42:50 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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