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Wisconsin Officials Rush to Walker-Proof Their Benefits
national review ^ | 3/3/11 | Christian Schneider

Posted on 03/03/2011 6:33:39 PM PST by Nachum

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To: Bronzy

Thanks - the Michelle Malkin link was (snap!) fabulous!

There’s a whole lotta 6-figure salaries (plus benefits being paid by taxpayers just in WI. Just imagine the waste in all 50 states.

It’s hard to determine the number of Administrators on MM’s link but appears to at least a few hundred.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/02/17/watch-wisconsin-part-iv-the-salary-info-big-labor-doesnt-want-you-to-see/?print=1


61 posted on 03/05/2011 10:33:05 AM PST by newfreep (Palin/West 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: UCANSEE2

I couldn’t do the teaching but I could sure find funds to send my kids to a private school. Stop the cable, stop the cellular phone contract and stop eating out. Use the savings to pay the school bill.


62 posted on 03/05/2011 11:17:32 AM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: Girlene

All of the teachers in the district I live in have received lay off notices...it is looking like 20% of them will actually be laid off. I can live with that for the first year...maybe we can do this again next year...


63 posted on 03/05/2011 9:04:06 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Follow up “Waiting for Superman” with the documentary “Agenda”...it puts even more pieces of the puzzle together.
64 posted on 03/05/2011 9:13:56 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: UCANSEE2; American Quilter; metmom

“That would require the parents to ‘give up’ quite a bit. Let’s say you are in a 2 parent family and have three kids.”

The average family no longer has three kids...try one or two...I have seven of my own.

“Both of you work.”

We both work, but I am the only one bringing in a paycheck. My wife manages the house and educates the children...this used to be called a housewife...before the feminists made it a bad word.

“you must deal with 3 hungry mouths at home to feed ALL DAY LONG, and you must provide them with quality education.”

You make it sound like it is a terrible thing to take care of your own children...and to be with your children “ALL DAY LONG”. This is part of the reason that we are in this mess. In the Scriptures we are told that children are a blessing but our modern culture looks upon children as a burden.

I also know people that both mom and dad are working but they are able to home school their children...when it is important enough to you...you find a way. And your comment about 90% of parents would fail miserably at teaching their children misses the mark. I assume that you have never seen the statistics about home schooling that shows that they regularly rank well above their peers in both public and private schools...most parents are actually the best teachers for their children. What is known is that public education does not educate...see “Waiting on Superman” documentary.

I would advice all parents to seriously consider home schooling their children...their is a wealth of resources available and they are not all that expensive.


65 posted on 03/05/2011 9:34:42 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: WorldviewDad
I understand what you are saying, and respect your particular situation. BUT... changing the original hypothesis doesn't solve the problem or answer the question. Given the situation I stated, what would you do? Would you expect everyone to do the same?

You make it sound like it is a terrible thing to take care of your own children...and to be with your children “ALL DAY LONG”.

Nah. But one must deal with the fact that the food and utility bills will rise if the children are home all day instead of at school.

I would advice advise all parents to seriously consider home schooling their children... their there is are a wealth of resources available and they are not all that expensive.

You know, it's probably a good thing your wife is doing the educating.

": )

66 posted on 03/05/2011 10:01:19 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: Bronzy
Stop the cable, stop the cellular phone contract and stop eating out.

Would you? Really? I think the kids might revolt about becoming Quakers.

Some of us don't have cable, or cell phones, or eat out. What would you suggest we do ?

67 posted on 03/05/2011 10:07:40 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: UCANSEE2

There are non contract phones. Stop new car payments. Let the kids live by parental controls or grow up by being taught by socialists.

Bottom line. Sacrifice for your values. Listen to Dr. Laura. She says that any family can live on one income. The second income usually pays for WANTS not needs.


68 posted on 03/05/2011 10:20:50 PM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: Bronzy

I’m not saying it can’t be done. There are plenty of families who ‘home school’. Those that do should be commended.

What I am saying is , it is one thing to find or have a way to home school, it is another to expect EVERYONE in the state to do so at the drop of a hat.

The original question stands. Given that your expenses will go WAY UP and your INCOME will be cut in half, would you ask everyone in the state to immediately start home schooling their children, just to try and solve this problem?

It’s always easy to DEMAND EVERYONE ELSE do something, when you are not them.


69 posted on 03/05/2011 10:34:09 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Hey, I never said home school. I am promoting sending children to private schools, church schools or nonpublic alternative schools. Home school if you can. It is our children’s future and that of America as we know it. We have become indoctrinated to send our children to government schools because we are told they are good as long as we keep giving them more funds. The funds are going to salaries, healthcare and pensions.


70 posted on 03/05/2011 10:51:06 PM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: Bronzy
Hey, I never said home school.

You are correct. Both home school and private schooling were mentioned in various places on the thread, and I mixed my response.

Same question still applies.

Would you ask, and expect, everyone in the state to take their children out of public school, and pay for private schooling ? What if you could not find a way to pay for it ?

Considering there aren't enough private school 'seats' or 'teachers' to take on the public school roles, many children will just get no schooling at all, unless the 'change' caused a plethora of private schools to appear out of nothing.

Whether it be home schooling or Private schooling, I am with you on the likelihood it is better for the children.

However, the concept that WE could just ALL INSTANTLY remove all our children from public schools, and still provide them with a good education, is unreasonable, and highly unlikely.

71 posted on 03/06/2011 9:17:15 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: UCANSEE2
“Given the situation I stated, what would you do? Would you expect everyone to do the same?”

I would still decide to home school since it is the best option for educating a child. Would that mean that I would have to “give up” things to make that happen? YES, and I am alright with that...my children are much more important then the “stuff” I would be giving up. I don't “expect” anybody to make the decisions that I make, they need to make their own decisions.

“Nah. But one must deal with the fact that the food and utility bills will rise if the children are home all day instead of at school.”

Why? Is the child going to eat more because he is home? Or is it that he is now eating “free” food that the tax payer is paying for? In most cases that I am aware of the food bills actually go down for the family when one parent stays home to home school their children. If you make meals from scratch it is much cheaper then the processed meals.

“You know, it's probably a good thing your wife is doing the educating.”

I know that this was meant as a “jab” but it is a good thing. She is better then I am at grammar...I did graduate from a public school so it is understandable. The other more important benefit is that none of my children are learning to become socialists or atheists...and that is the most important thing.

72 posted on 03/06/2011 11:40:18 AM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: UCANSEE2; Bronzy
“The original question stands. Given that your expenses will go WAY UP and your INCOME will be cut in half, would you ask everyone in the state to immediately start home schooling their children, just to try and solve this problem?”

This is a false starting point. Just because you would be educating you own kids does not mean that your expenses would go up let alone “WAY UP”. Your expenses would be under your control. And who stated that home school would have to be the only option? I do strongly lean towards home school but there are other options. In the school district I live in there are two private schools that have tuition that is less then half of what the public schools need to educate a child...and both have room for more students. There is also the option of “virtual academies” that several public schools are offering. The actual cost to the tax payer is extremely low compared to the $11,000 per student cost that we are now paying. If the majority of parents took these options: home school, private school (maybe with public help), or virtual school, we could cut a huge amount of cost out of educating our children...which would put more money into the pockets of the tax payer since the government would no longer need the high property taxes.

73 posted on 03/06/2011 12:00:47 PM PST by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: Nachum

Conservatives see their freedom and rights as being free from government usurpation.

Liberals always seem to see their “freedom and rights” as coming from Government’s ability to raid your pockets (and freedom) on their behalf.

That is what is so disgusting about the labor union protesters. They are protesting to extort the people out of their money.


74 posted on 03/06/2011 12:27:07 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Nachum

municipalities can declare bankruptcy under chapter 9 of the bankruptcy code.


75 posted on 03/08/2011 2:42:12 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Nachum

If we could ever elect a true patriot president he could appoint an AG who’s not afraid to charge people with crimes. It’s been a while since we had one.


76 posted on 03/09/2011 8:38:24 AM PST by Terry Mross (We need a SECOND party.)
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