Teen prostitutes get new status

Minneapolis-St.Paul Star Tribune ^ | February 26, 2011 | PAT PHEIFER and JIM ANDERSON

[umgud]

Kill the pimps.

[little jeremiah]

I think public beatings of pimps and johns would take care of most of it pretty quickly.

Public beatings or canings really need to be brought back into practice. Cheap, effective, and quick. And will teach wannabees. Public pain and shame.

[Munz]

well said

[TigersEye]

Some of us were having an argument the other day or two with libertarians (one of whom got zotted) who claimed that prostitution should be legalized.

I guess that's that for discussion on the topic here.

[Iron Munro]

Teen prostitutes get new status

Not all of the teenage prosttitutes are girls.

Not by a long shot.

[little jeremiah]

It was an interesting discussion. A large proportion of prostitutes were molested as children, or otherwise abused; and many started underage, or with force. What to speak of the huge numbers of those enslaved. It is not just naughty girls having fun.

[MrEdd]

Not all of the pimps and johns are male by a longshot either, but just try to get a conviction on females.

[Travis McGee]

Treat the child prostitutes as victims, which they are.

Then take the adult pimps and procurers, and string them up.

[little jeremiah]

But I was hoping for public beatings. Then they could be strung up.

I am a firm and sincere believer in public canings and public hangings.

And not after 20 years of appeals.

It will happen, I am sure of it. I just want the good guys to be in charge when it starts happening, not the bad guys.

[Travis McGee]

You and me both, brother.

[TigersEye]

It was an interesting discussion.

But apparently risky to engage in.

[MrEdd]

It was an interesting discussion.

But apparently risky to engage in.

Not if you follow the site rules.

[org.whodat]

Lot of BS slinging going on here, bunch of disconnected events getting passed off as if it were a factual national Trent.

[TigersEye]

Ah, well that wasn’t the indication I got from lj’s post.

[TheDingoAteMyBaby]

Look up “Enjo kosai.”

[little jeremiah]

There was a creep describing his experiences with prostitutes and other ladies of easy virtue, how some had been molested when younger and he didn’t care, how bestiality and incest should be legalized, etc.

It was a wide ranging discussion.

The thread was a perfect illustration of how johns exploit prostitutes and if it were not for johns, there would be no prostitutes.

The fact is that when a society promotes meaningless sex, and meaningless sex (aka outside of committed marriage) becomes the norm, or very widespread, it inevitably leads to social breakdown. Why? Beacuse without stable families, there is no next generations. The percentage of either killed babies (no future) or feral worthless humanimals becomes too great for civilization to carry.

Then bigger dogs take over, or just plain anarchy, or the barbarians break down the gates, etc.

Another point is that it takes a user or exploiter mentality (and creates more of the same) to use others as sex objects without love or commitment. And that user/exploiter mentality seeps into every aspect of life. Then the rule of law, honor, respect for others, truth, and all that good stuff goes out the window too. The virtues are connected. Toss one out, and lo and behold - the others were tied onto it! They’re all gone.

Humans without virtue are worse than animals, because they have wits and thumbs. Animals just follow their nature. Humans who lose their virtue and conscience are far more dangerous than rabid animals. Sexual immorality is not harmless; people should be ashamed of sexual immorality; now they’re more ashamed of over eating than hiring prostitutes or using porn or having casual sex with people they don’t know or care about.

All these acts harden and coarsen peoples’ hearts so gradually they have a harder time hearing the inner voice telling them what is true and good. And what about children? Sex between a fertile woman and man often results in pregnancy. So abortion becomes a necessity when people are jumping on each other like animals in a field.

Many people do not like this but facts is facts. The stable family is the bedrock of human civilization. Promiscuity, homosexuality, sex outside of/before etc marriage all destroy families.

It’s that simple.

[TigersEye]

I don’t think I substantially disagree with any of that. That goes a little beyond answering my post. The first paragraph did that. I just got the impression from the first post of yours that I responded to that any disagreement was asking for a zot.

[little jeremiah]

I just decided to go on and on....

:-)

I see a lot of turmoil ahead. Lots. People will need to remember some of the basics, a lot has been lost by the wayside due to the glitter.

I wasn’t directing this as a lecture to you! Just - thinking out loud so to speak.

[TigersEye]

No problems, lj. I know you well enough to know that you’re passionate about things and you’re going to let your mind be known about them. :-)

[PieterCasparzen]

No one wants to prosecute the johns because so many of them are elites.

Here's a long answer, pardon me...

They're a cross section of society, many just have wives, girlfriends, parents, families and employers who may or may not realize what they are doing and certainly the arrest of the guy would ruin everyone's day. The vast majority are definitely not "elite" in any sense of the word. The demand for these services will never completely go away, but if the operations were constantly raided and ALL the johns arrested but the operators let go, johns would become very uninterested in partaking. Politicians find it very convenient to point to the operators as the "bad guys", but johns seek this service out. The last thing some day-laboror, college student or office guy needs is their family getting on them about them being convicted of that crime. Prosecution of the johns is the most effective deterrance.

Even though everyone outwardly says it's technically wrong, most people say, "aw you can't stop it", essentially that it should be overlooked. Most people don't care if "other" people participate in that business, they feel that it does not involve them. Also, the tutes are always presented as victims, but see what answer you get if you ask them. Maybe some are "enslaved", but I think if you asked 100 of them, for at least 95 it would be all about the money. Tell them you want them to stop, you'll help them. See what they say. I guess that's why so many people refer to it as a "victimless crime". Hey, it's still legal in parts of "The Honorable Senator" Harry Reid's scenic and beautiful great state of Nevada. Everyone seems to talk about prostitution being so bad for the prostitute, but we just can't seem to do much prosecution of their customers, and the customers somehow just keep coming back for more. Hmmm...

Law enforcement keeps following policy, just shutting down operations when they get the order. I'm sure if we told them to arrest customers they would.

A few years back in NJ, a brothel was raided by some multi-agency team, and found A SLEW OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT in there partaking ! Not that this would be common across America, just agreeing (like you alluded to) that sometimes a lot of people are connected a lot of different - and surprising - ways. If cops sat across the street and arrested every john, the business would shut downm but this place in Lodi, NJ was operating, apparently, for years.

As far as drugs go, I have my own ideas about how to stop the drug trade. But no one likes my ideas.

Again, since drugs can be homemade and there can't be a cop inside every house (Constitutionally and of course mathematically), it is impossible to completely stop people from using drugs. Government policy is to go after the "big fish", i.e., distributors, and the bigger the better. This policy simply keeps the market prices of drugs high. Removal of a distributor or product from the street simply creates a temporary and local supply shortage, which creates a huge monetary incentive for someone else to service the affected territory.

I had someone explain to me once just how large the industry is; they basically confirmed that to large importers losing a load is like Walmart losing one trailor.

Since the supply is impossible to stop, grassroots demand decrease is the only way to shrink the "industry". When demand in an industry dries up, it's game over for the businesses operating in that industry. United States Leather Company is an example - used to make horse harnesses.

Everyone seems to forget that vices are made illegal because of their detriment to society, and that prosecution of such crimes under the law is necessary to then actually reduce vice. Lowering sentences and skipping prosecution will always result in more vice as people realize that there is no serious penalty for them.

Can you imagine if half the things we do today were done in America in the year 1710 and how harsh and swift the penalties would have been ? I don't know what your ideas are, but IMHO, we don't need much more than to actually arrest and prosecute a lot of offenders.