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1 posted on 02/25/2011 11:02:57 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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Gee why not destroy the Serbs and be done? Let’s support jihadists Bosnians and cut our own throats.


2 posted on 02/25/2011 11:09:45 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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If the U.S. is ever stabbed in the back, it will be a Serb that deserves to do it. We have treated these people like dirt. They help us during WW 2, we reward them with a sell out to the Eastern Bloc.....under the thumb of the Croat/Muslims that stabbed them in the back, that were considered WORSE than the Nazi SS. Then, we backstabbed them again by siding with the Muslims and Croats and bombing their civilian population, destroying their bridges, and then melding them into another nation that wants them both dead and gone.


3 posted on 02/25/2011 11:17:03 PM PST by runninglips (government debt = slavery of the masses)
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Never going to happen, no matter how much water for Serbs this guy carries.

Three reasons why:
1. Srpska's today territory was with about 48% Bosniaks pre war, and Serbs were found to have committed genocide on Bosniaks.
2. If the Bosniaks are left alone, they'll become an Islamic emirate. No one wants that.
3. Croatia doesn't want Serbia on that long and hard to defend border. Bosnia will serve as a buffer. In fact Croatia threatened to wipe Srpska out if they declared independence (specifically forbidden by Dayton.)
Map for reference

4. As a bonus, no one is itching to have a strong Serbia, certainly not Germany, US, UK, Italy or France.

5 posted on 02/25/2011 11:39:15 PM PST by mewykwistmas
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“There is, of course, no guarantee that Belgrade would endorse such a comprehensive package of territorial adjustments. “

Ha! Serbia has been told: Kosovo or EU and if you choose Kosovo you get none. They chose EU of course but are trying to keep the North of Kosovo, getting Srpska would be 1000 times better for them, so who is he kidding.


6 posted on 02/25/2011 11:42:50 PM PST by mewykwistmas
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Is it any surprise that Clinton, the rest of the Democrats, and yellow journalism led us into that pointless adventure? I still remember leftists both here and in Europe beating their chests and shouting in mad delight that we had involved ourselves in a war (well, Bosnia and Kosovo) where we had no economic, strategic, or cultural interest. That was their talking point, and they were PROUD of it!


7 posted on 02/26/2011 12:31:52 AM PST by Chiltepe
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Partition ping.


13 posted on 02/27/2011 1:23:21 PM PST by wonders (If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?)
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The only time in Bosnia’s history when Bosnia was a viable standalone entity was before the Turks and Islam arrived, back in the 15th century. Since that time, Bosnia has been ruled either by empires (Ottoman, then Hapsburg) or (until the 1990’s) as a constituent part of Yugoslavia. Bosnia has not stood on its own since the 15th century, but rather has served as a much-needed buffer zone between Serbia and Croatia.

Bosnia is not — never has been and never will be — a viable independent country. Henry Kissinger said it and I said it 20 years ago: There is no cohesive “Bosnian” identity — there are only Bosnian Serbs, Bosnian Croats— and Bosnian Muslims, who are only a slightly larger minority than either, but not both, of the two other groups.

If the Balkans had been allowed to unravel on their own, without outside intervention from us or Germany & the other outside actors, I believe that there would have been nowhere near the bloodshed that happened as a result of intervention and we wouldn’t have half the headaches we do today. The people there would have fought it out and moved on. Slovenia would have worked out the same, minimal bloodshed and recognized independence. Croatia would have had to make deals for their independence like protecting the Serb minority, but they would have had incentives to do so — although I admit that Croatia/Serbia would have been the touchiest and potentially deadliest of wars if it did happen.

But the Bosnian war never needed to happen at all. Before a single shot was fired, the Serbs and the Muslims had a deal, and our guy Warren Zimmerman told the Muslims that they didn’t need to honor it. Why? Because the Muslims didn’t own enough land to create “a country”. They needed war to get that land. Even when the Serbs made a deal with Fikret Abdic, a secular Muslim and actually the duly elected president of Bosnia, we supported the radical Izetbegovic over the moderate Abdic. Why? If “saving Muslims lives” was our goal, why wouldn’t we have taken exploited obvious chances to that?

My point is that we, as part of “the international community”, deliberately supported the creation of two socially and economically non-functional Muslim entities from the former Yugoslavia, Bosnia and Kosovo. These entities don’t work, they can’t work as “countries”, and they will always be dependencies. And Muslims were so emboldened by acquiring these new territories, and became so enshrined as “victims” in the public mind, that Islam has made inroads in the public discourse of not only Europe but the US and Canada.

Our intervention was so carefully crafted that it wasn’t an accident — it couldn’t have been. The law of averages say that with each of thousands of decisions, you can’t come out “wrong” 100% of the time.

So these Muslim entities were created for a reason and hell if I know what they are, with any certainty. What I do know is that their motivation and function in the greater scheme of things, go far beyond the the Balkans and Bosnia.

So if things keep going in the direction that they have been, “what to do about Bosnia” will likely be a moot point in the near future.


22 posted on 02/28/2011 10:05:33 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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