Posted on 02/22/2011 7:14:50 PM PST by Bigtigermike
Some here are saying, better the devil you know. Well, Gaddafi’s a really serious devil and I think if you folks were living in Tripoli you’d take your chances with chaos and unknowns. But maybe not.
Me, I’m somewhat more radical about muslims, having been neighbor to an “islamic center” packed with fundies. I say removing Gaddafi by whatever means, isn’t enough; and that Libyans are probably NOT very interested in our western concept of liberty. and until they demonstrate otherwise, we should recolonize their country, take over the oilfields and the airspace before someone else does.
As for Palin, she’d be one damned fine president, but her rosy view of oppressed people and their burning desire for freedom, reminds me of GWB with that religion of peace shtick. Politically, one has to say it, though in their cases they probably believe it. I do not.
Aside from the citified Libyans and Egyptians who ought to consider establishing free cities, these countries are loaded with backward, culturally primitive, and islamically deluded wretches who will be just the same in the next century.
And if we’re not careful we’ll be right there with them.
She didn’t give a rosey picture of the people of Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood behind the scenes.....so you are mistaken about her looking on the bright side
While we do not have a central government that shoots us dead on the streets, we do have a government that is way out of control. I can empathize with the people on the streets in Libya. I don’t want to see my family or theirs treated in this manner. I do agree I do not want to experience exactly what they are, so total empathy would not be desirable, to be sure.
Sympathize may have been the better word, but I have always been able to put myself in other people’s positions. I can understand perfectly what they are going through right now. That does allow me to have empathy for them.
Yes, I’m just doing my damnedest to perpetuate lies about Palin. Good grief!
When it comes to foreign policy, Sarah is clueless. These ‘long suffering people’ are the same ones who danced in the streets when the Pan Am bomber was released back to Libya. What were they chanting? Oh yes, “Death to America. Death to the infidels.” Sound familiar?
Now we’re supposed to involve ourselves in their internal affairs? Now we’re supposed to help the Muslim Brotherhood waltz right in to replace the Gadfly with a theocratic government that dances with upwards of ten other nations, to Iran’s tune?
Uh, no thanks.
I will sympathize with any people who are being gunned down by their government. That doesn’t mean that I am going to assist them in an endeavor that will destabilize the world. And that’s just what helping them oust the Gadfly will accomplish. Again, no thanks.
Some things just explain themselves, don't they? Why would she say anything that could be interpreted as siding with the MB, against an ally (however imperfect) who kept the peace (however imperfect) with Israel for several decades?
Thanks for the correction Robert. Yes, silence is golden was the proper term. Take care.
BillM, I assumed that you would be able to understand that I was simply comparing the two events. I’m sorry I overestimated your abilities.
What is taking place in Egypt and Libya right now mirror precisely what took place in Tehran in the late 70s. The Left was thrilled to see the Shah booted. Then what?
Then the Mullah’s marched in. That’s already taken place in Egypt. It’s in the cards for Libya too IMO.
Was it a good idea to congratulate the students in Iran in the late 1970s? No. It’s not good to champion those who will do the Muslim Brotherhood’s bidding either.
Look, this is reality. It’s not fantasy. What took place in Iran is happening again.
And you actually thought I was trying to make points off a ten year old kid? Seriously?
Damn.
Yup, I think you were trying to use a 10 year old.
The situation today in the middle east is NOT the same as Iran back then. The Shah was a major western ally. The US provide F14’s and all modern arms. Nobody was even thinking about Khomeini and what might happen if he took over. He was in France.
The point Sarah makes is that the use of military aviation against the civilian population is reprehensible. The US and NATO enforced a ‘no-fly’ zone over the sovereign state of Iraq. It is possible that this option should be considered now for Libya.
At least Sarah Palin is giving an accurate comparison of Gaddafi versus Mubarak. Remember, the US bombed Gaddafi’s palace and killed some of his family.
Where does Obama or for that matter any of the republicans stand on this??
MIA.
It seems someone doesn't understand geopolitics very well and it isn't Palin. Oh btw O don't see Iraq in open revolt.
You can think whatever you like Bill. I don’t really care. I will address your comments, but it’s no sweat off my back if you wish to live in the land of make believe.
Yes, the Shah was our ally. No Kadhaffi isn’t. The fact still remains, that the populace is trying to remove their leader on humanitarian grounds. That is exactly why the Iranian people rose up against the Shah. So there is a similarity here, even if you wish to deny it.
I’ll bet you a dollar right now, that three months from now Libya will have had some sort of popular religious leader come forward to form a new government, and much of the populace will be pleased as punch to see it.
That person will be anti-US, pro-Iran, and will install a theocratic government that will be closely tied to the Muslim Brotherhood.
The life of women in Libya will not be improved. In many instances they will be back to being treated like cattle, although they probably already were in most instances there already. We shall see.
I share Palin’s concern about the people of Libya. I do not however kid myself for a second that Libya is on the verge of some great awakening that will bring peace and prosperity to all of it’s citizens. In particular, little girls, young women, and adult women will be hard pressed to find any benefit in all this.
So no, I’m not in favor of making statements about Libya other than it’s leader has been, and will always be a consummate animal. The people of Libya that trash him now, are the same ones who danced in the streets when the Lockerby Bomber was let loose. And on 09/11, they were also dancing in the streets with glee.
It is my take that when all is said and done, this situation is going to turn out terrible for the Western nations. I’ll be damned if I am going to voice much of anything positive about the people of Libya.
I have no basis to. On general principles, I hate to see people oppressed like this. Then again, they thought it was a real hoot when 3,000 of our innocent people were slaughtered one morning in 2001.
She didn’t say that Libya was free; she was toasting their coming freedom.
I guess trolls needn’t be overly intelligent.
Hear, hear.
>> “It’s scary to think of where this all might end up.” <<
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Read your Bible; it tells exactly where this ends up. They’re making Yeshua’s foot stool.
What do the Iran, Egyptian, and Libyan revolutions all have in common? Each saw their citizens revolt against their leaders on humanitarian grounds.
Yes, Iran and Egypt were our allies. None the less, a theocratic government was installed when the Ayatollah Komenie return to Iran from France.
In Egypt another popular cleric has returned home from abroad. He is very popular and it’s my take he will be forming a new government. That government will very likely be modeled after the Iranian government.
Libya hasn’t even toppled it’s government yet, but I’d bet a dollar to a donut the same thing is about to take place there. Is that going to be positive for the West? Will it even be a positive thing for the women of Lybia, or Egypt?
Sarah seems to believe that the same people who danced in the streets after 09/11 and the return to Libya of the Lockerby Bomber, are on the verge of some mystical awakening that will lead to something positive. I don’t kid myself in that regard at all.
The only statement that has merit right now, is condemning Khadaffy’s actions against his own people. No leader should be doing that sort of thing. None the less, the chaos in Libya will not end with his removal. You can take that to the bank.
At this moment, the Egyptians are trying to destabilize the military. When that is accomplished, anything goes. And it will go.
I don’t believe Sarah understands much of this. I’m sure you believe differently, but I am allowed to have my own thoughts on this. Sorry we have to disagree.
We could project overwhelming power cheaply. Just takes the spine to do it.
You think Palin just picked Libya to comment on? You think she mentioned the locker bombing, the giving up of the nuke plans in 2003 on a whim? You think Palin doesn't understand? yeah. I love how people underestimate Palin. Her and her advisers don't understand geopolitical ramifications. Yeah...ROFL.......
Keep on thinking she is stupid....It has worked real well for all of her detractors over the years... So far gov Palin is the ONLY ONE on the naitonal stage that does understand and is on America's side in this entire ME blowup....
Thank you for your further comments. I do share your appreciation of humor, and this submission was better than a lot of attempts at it I’ve seen over the years.
Take care.
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