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What Egypt Can Teach America
New York Times ^ | 2/12/2011 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 02/13/2011 8:03:20 AM PST by Beave Meister

It’s a new day in the Arab world — and, let’s hope, in American relations to the Arab world.

The truth is that the United States has been behind the curve not only in Tunisia and Egypt for the last few weeks, but in the entire Middle East for decades. We supported corrupt autocrats as long as they kept oil flowing and weren’t too aggressive toward Israel. Even in the last month, we sometimes seemed as out of touch with the region’s youth as a Ben Ali or a Mubarak. Recognizing that crafting foreign policy is 1,000 times harder than it looks, let me suggest four lessons to draw from our mistakes:

1.) Stop treating Islamic fundamentalism as a bogyman and allowing it to drive American foreign policy. American paranoia about Islamism has done as much damage as Muslim fundamentalism itself.

In Somalia, it led the U.S. to wink at a 2006 Ethiopian invasion that was catastrophic for Somalis and resulted in more Islamic extremism there. And in Egypt, our foreboding about Islamism paralyzed us and put us on the wrong side of history.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; egypt; fascist; islam; liberalmedia; liberals; msm; mubarak; nytimes; obama; oil
Drill baby drill.....
1 posted on 02/13/2011 8:03:23 AM PST by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister
1.) Stop treating Islamic fundamentalism as a bogyman and allowing it to drive American foreign policy. American paranoia about Islamism has done as much damage as Muslim fundamentalism itself.

Uh huh. LOL
2 posted on 02/13/2011 8:05:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Beave Meister

Drivel


3 posted on 02/13/2011 8:06:49 AM PST by Flavius (A)
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To: Flavius

exactly. no oil in egypt. kenya, somalia and others have been going at it for decades.


4 posted on 02/13/2011 8:11:04 AM PST by Oystir
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To: Beave Meister

There’s only one thing that makes me smile about an eventual Muslim takeover of the west... that the liberals will be the first ones to get their heads cut off.


5 posted on 02/13/2011 8:11:49 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Beave Meister

islam is an evil cult of oppression murder and terror.
it seeks to destroy western civilization.
it is the enemy of freesom and liberty and of America


6 posted on 02/13/2011 8:31:23 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Beave Meister

there are no good mussies...


7 posted on 02/13/2011 8:32:27 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Beave Meister

“We supported corrupt autocrats as long as they kept oil flowing and weren’t too aggressive toward Israel.”

As opposed to corrupt autocrats that cut off the flow of oil and make war on Israel.

Muslims will usually end up with unpleasant rulers. That appears to be the nature of the beast. One suspects the author really thinks we should have been backing the anti-american thugs all along on the shining path Obama has showed us bitter clingers.


8 posted on 02/13/2011 8:33:05 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Beave Meister

paranoia (the vice of the ignorant and unwashed) about islamism puts us on the wrong side of history, so the elites assure themselve and us with wise headshakes

On the street, they say it more graphically:

if rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it


9 posted on 02/13/2011 8:33:13 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Beave Meister

Someone ought to ask Kristoff to write a column on what he finds wrong about Islam and see if it gets printed?


10 posted on 02/13/2011 8:36:31 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: Beave Meister
What Egypt Can Teach America

POVERTY

ML/NJ

11 posted on 02/13/2011 8:41:17 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Beave Meister

One of the most juvenile analyses on foreign policy I have ever read. Maybe this guy learned from Madeline Albright. How about the entire world is way behind what we were 20 years ago.

The fact that many utopians conviently forget is that the information revolution started with DARPA ie the US war machine.


12 posted on 02/13/2011 8:51:11 AM PST by JmyBryan
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To: JmyBryan

Let’s get to the real issues:

1) How much do these clowns in Egypt get from us now? The army knows who butters their bread.

2) Regarding 1: what happens if the new regime goes back to the tried and true Arab foreign policy of “Destroy Israel at any cost.”

3) The Suez canal

4) Under what conditions should the US provide military support. Will anyone on the left address a situation where someone needs protection against raging assassins?


13 posted on 02/13/2011 8:56:30 AM PST by JmyBryan
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To: ml/nj

They are running field tests for the end game........ us


14 posted on 02/13/2011 9:01:34 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: ronnie raygun

No kidding.


15 posted on 02/13/2011 9:03:21 AM PST by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Beave Meister
I've met this clown: he's very pleased with himself and his perfect opinions. He really thinks his words are graced with wisdom, but he's an utter fool.

Years ago, he was the NYT reporter in China. He and his wife at the time wrote a book about their experiences, and the book is filled with the same kind of nonsense presented so solemnly here. For instance, he was always taking Chinese democracy activists to task for not being bolder, never failing to notice that those who were were immediately arrested and thrown in prison.

16 posted on 02/13/2011 9:10:52 AM PST by mojito
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To: Beave Meister

The level of idiocy required to write this article cannot be imitated or duplicated by a human being of average intelligence.

The writers of the New York Times are profoundly talented in idiocy.


17 posted on 02/13/2011 9:19:40 AM PST by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: cripplecreek

Egypt can teach America what Mob Rule is and how mobsters can steal everything worth stealing..


18 posted on 02/13/2011 9:25:11 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: mojito

“For instance, he was always taking Chinese democracy activists to task for not being bolder, never failing to notice that those who were were immediately arrested and thrown in prison.”

Well, it’s pretty easy to be bold behind a keyboard thousands of miles away in a “free” country...but this is how these people work - sort of an intellectual analogue to “limousine liberals”.


19 posted on 02/13/2011 9:28:52 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: rrrod

‘’there are no good mussies.’’ Yes there are- dead ones.


20 posted on 02/13/2011 10:32:16 AM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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