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Collapse - Republican opposition to New START is collapsing
National Review Online - The Corner ^ | 12/21/10 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 12/21/2010 7:54:11 AM PST by Fury

Republican opposition to New START is collapsing. One Senate source just told me the vote for ratification could go as high as 75. Another said, “I don’t know if it will get that high, but it’s starting to tick up there.” As the sense builds that ratification is inevitable, Republicans are lining up to get on the “right side.” Lamar Alexander’s support, noted below, is a crucial sign of which way the wind is blowing, although he’ll probably be the only member of the Republican leadership to vote for it. At least Jon Kyl was able to get more money for modernization and that letter from President Obama making assurances on missile defense. Otherwise, this is a dismaying rout.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: 111th; armsreduction; gop; newstart; obama; palin; republicans; rinos; start; treason
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Has anything changed?

From earlier in the Corner:

Speaking on the Senate floor this morning, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.) announced his support for ratification of the New START treaty.

He outlined his support as follows: “The president has committed to an $85 billion, ten-year plan to make sure these weapons work. The treaty allows for inspection of Russian warheads. Our military leaders say it does nothing to interfere with development of our missile-defense system. The last six Republican secretaries of state support the treaty.”

“Americans are safer and more secure with the treaty than without it,” he said.

Alexander’s announcement means Republicans are dangerously short on votes, making it increasingly unlikely that START will be stopped before the end of the lame-duck session.

1 posted on 12/21/2010 7:54:16 AM PST by Fury
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To: Fury

Simply amazing.


2 posted on 12/21/2010 7:56:06 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Fury

Just take names and remember in 2012, 2014 or 2016, if we get there.


3 posted on 12/21/2010 7:56:58 AM PST by Mouton
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To: Fury
As the sense builds that ratification is inevitable, Republicans are lining up to get on the “right side.”

Never, "What's the best thing for America", but always, "collapsing to line up on the right side" (politically).

Does anything EVER change in Washington?

4 posted on 12/21/2010 7:57:49 AM PST by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: Fury
Idiot Republicans! There is absolutely no compelling reason to deal with START until the 112th Congress is seated,
5 posted on 12/21/2010 7:57:51 AM PST by hflynn
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To: Fury

Looks like my personal decision to exit the GOP was a good one.

A pox on both parties.


6 posted on 12/21/2010 7:58:35 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: pissant

My concern is verification and also implications for missile defense. Additionally, there needs to be a serious discussion about the Reliable Replacement Warhead (RRW) program and the implications START will have on the RRW efforts.


7 posted on 12/21/2010 7:58:50 AM PST by Fury
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To: Fury

Is it worth our time with these guys?? Time for a new party as the one we have now is a total waste of time.. I don’t want to hear we will split the vote and will elect Dems... We vote for Republicans and we still get this crap....


8 posted on 12/21/2010 7:59:39 AM PST by scbison
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To: Mouton
Just take names and remember in 2012, 2014 or 2016, if we get there.

That's getting to be a big 'if'...

9 posted on 12/21/2010 7:59:47 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: pissant

Seems like the Republicans are all bark and no bite.... Nothing has changed...

Extremely disappointed... Moreover, the Republican leader (Mitch McConnell) has just proved to all Republicans that he cannot job done. All we are asking for is to delay the vote a month, and he can’t even get that done.


10 posted on 12/21/2010 8:00:15 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Fury
...is a crucial sign of which way the wind is blowing...

How sad that our elected representatives abandon their principles simply because there's a gentle wind blowing. Here's an idea, you gutless wonders: Try doing what your constituents want for a change.

11 posted on 12/21/2010 8:00:43 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Guess they didn’t hear us in NOVEMBER. Is there a way to STOP ALL of the last minute legislation???? Where are the balls of the repubs? OH YEAH, in Alaska.


12 posted on 12/21/2010 8:00:47 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: Fury

On the Senate side, nothing has changed. His Ladyship McConnell is a wimp. He is clearly in love with Reid (remember, he adamantly refused to campaign or even speak out against him — and please, to his apologist here at FR, don’t give us that “he sent his aides up to campaign” crapola again: those of us who work in Washington know it is a cop-out).

What will happen on the House side remains to be seen — though I personally have substantial faith in Boehner and his staff.


13 posted on 12/21/2010 8:00:47 AM PST by hampdenkid
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To: pissant

Effing cowards. Traitors.


14 posted on 12/21/2010 8:01:41 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: ScottinVA
Looks like my personal decision to exit the GOP was a good one. A pox on both parties.

Final straw for me as well. They'll not get my money or my vote. Might as well let the rats continue to destroy the country. The Republicans don't seem to care. Why even have two parties? A pox on all of them is right.

15 posted on 12/21/2010 8:01:54 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Fury

My tagline says it all mostly....and now I can add the whole Senate to that list of traitors... pffffft


16 posted on 12/21/2010 8:04:20 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: Fury

Someone tell me again why a vote for a third party is a wasted vote.


17 posted on 12/21/2010 8:05:21 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Fury
I don't understand; what has Zero promised/threatened these Republicans to get them to capitulate?

DISARMING YOUR COUNTRY is a just cause for replacing a government. By any means. It has happened before: our own revolution.

18 posted on 12/21/2010 8:06:05 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Onward to the battle royal!)
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To: Fury
Our military leaders say it does nothing to interfere with development of our missile-defense system.

Of course, our "military leaders" would say that. THEY'RE TOLD TO SAY THAT!!!!


19 posted on 12/21/2010 8:06:14 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Fury

Folding like a cheap paper plate.


20 posted on 12/21/2010 8:06:18 AM PST by crosshairs (The word for actor in Greek is hypocrite (its true).)
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To: Fury

Being a GOP Senator is the simplest job in the world yet these fools just don’t get it.

If Obama is for it. Vote against it. Period. No reading, no thinking necessary.

Has white guilt really made these numbnuts willing to sabotage the USA?


21 posted on 12/21/2010 8:06:48 AM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: scbison
"Is it worth our time with these guys?? Time for a new party as the one we have now is a total waste of time."

We already have a third party. It's made up of the RINOS who have joined up with their soul-mates, the 'RATS to form the "No Labels Party". Proving Rush right again when he says, conservatives are going to take our party back to its roots, and it will be the RINOS who will form any third party, not us.

22 posted on 12/21/2010 8:07:14 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: Mouton
And then what? Vote in another Scott Brown type? The GOP is done, they are just as bad as the democrats.

The Tea Party needs to form a real party. There is not much else to do in reality.

23 posted on 12/21/2010 8:07:51 AM PST by deep (http://www.americansagainstobama.com)
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To: All

This is unforgivable, I’m done with the GOP.


24 posted on 12/21/2010 8:07:57 AM PST by Irenic
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To: Fury
Republicans blew it.

All they had to do was announce that the American people had spoken in November and that they would thus filibuster EVERYTHING until the new congress that the American people elected was seated.

25 posted on 12/21/2010 8:08:07 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Fury

This is just an extension of why I became an Independent quite a while back. These gutless baby-kissers need to be cleaned out. Start in 2012.


26 posted on 12/21/2010 8:08:16 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Fury

I EXPECT democrats to vote for it. I also EXPECTED a little more pro-Americanism from the Republican side. The POSGOP can’t even muster 34 votes to stop this.

Go to hell, GOP.


27 posted on 12/21/2010 8:08:24 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Fury

We are safer withOUT the treaty than with it. It cancels our missile defense program.


28 posted on 12/21/2010 8:09:08 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Blue Turtle
Where are the balls of the repubs?

Those of the men must be in Hillary's lock box... :-)

29 posted on 12/21/2010 8:09:49 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Fury

Collapse both parties and let THE PEOPLE take over!
The political class is going to get us killed! This is insane, let the revolution begin!

Yeah but I could just sit here behind my warm computer or watch dancing with stars and let the world take care of itself!!! Maybe hope for an election to save my butt.

At some point we have to just say the war is lost and let it destroy itself and pick up the pieces from the smoldering
wreakage!


30 posted on 12/21/2010 8:09:58 AM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: Fury

I bloody knew they would fail.

The Founders didn’t sit around and wait and see.


31 posted on 12/21/2010 8:10:27 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: Fury
It is now starting to look like the Republicans traded DADT, START, and the 99 week extension of unemployment benefits for the 2 year extension of the tax cuts....

That's a pretty crappy deal, considering if we had just simply done NOTHING until January we could of gotten the tax cuts and had to give up NOTHING!

32 posted on 12/21/2010 8:11:04 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Fury

The Kenyan gets handed a victory on foreign policy by a pack of RINOs... unbelievable, shocking.

Any of them up for re-election 2012? Can we primary these guys?


33 posted on 12/21/2010 8:11:20 AM PST by blade_tenner
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To: Fury
Russia warns US not to meddle with START treaty

Staggering. Just stop and absorb this message. And our friggin' LAME DUCK Senate cowers and takes orders from the Kremlin???!!!

WWRRD?

NYET!!!!!!!!

Reagan Tells Soviet Jokes

34 posted on 12/21/2010 8:11:21 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe!)
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To: Obadiah
Never, "What's the best thing for America", but always, "collapsing to line up on the right side" (politically).

The funny thing is that the right side of this issue is to vote "nay."
35 posted on 12/21/2010 8:12:00 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Fury

Russia says ‘Jump!”; the U. S. Senate says “How high?”


36 posted on 12/21/2010 8:12:42 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Sprite518

I don’t think he ever wanted to get the job done. He pretended a little, said he was against it himself, but let all of his usual ‘girls’ go out to their favorite streetcorners right on schedule. Wink, wink.


37 posted on 12/21/2010 8:12:54 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: deep

I agree the GOP is done. I was not saying to elect more RINOs. I was saying those who voted for this, and other crap, need to be replaced, hopefully the TeaParty will have candidates. If not, anything but what we got now works for me.


38 posted on 12/21/2010 8:13:01 AM PST by Mouton
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To: ScottinVA

“A pox on both parties.”

Amen. They are idiots.


39 posted on 12/21/2010 8:14:16 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Matchett-PI

I hope so because this is effing frustrating!!!


40 posted on 12/21/2010 8:14:28 AM PST by scbison
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To: pissant
"Simply Amazing"

It's not amazing. You NeoCons lost.

The Republican Foreign Policy Realists support the treaty and the NeoCons such as yourself opposed it.

It is a big powerplay, the NeoCons trying to assert themselves and say that they control foreign policy positions taken by the GOP.

41 posted on 12/21/2010 8:14:50 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: pissant

They still don’t get it.


42 posted on 12/21/2010 8:14:52 AM PST by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Staggering. Just stop and absorb this message. And our friggin' LAME DUCK Senate cowers and takes orders from the Kremlin???!!!

Yep. They sure did. Craven cowards.

43 posted on 12/21/2010 8:15:01 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Fury

More Support for Arms Control Treaty (BOTH TENNESSEE GOP SENATORS)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2645834/posts

TN Eagle Forum sent out the ALERT on Corker this morning, and while looking for Alexander’s contact number, up pops his support for START.

KEEP HITTING REDIAL

Sen. Corker’s office [202-224-3344]

Sen. Lamar Alexander 202-224-4944

BOTH Tennessee senators are supporting this START Treaty. Contact them and encourage them to vote NO! Elections have CONSEQUENCES! Make the call a twofer add the FCC Net Neutrality to the list,

Toll-Free number to the Congressional Switchboard (866) 338-1015.


44 posted on 12/21/2010 8:15:21 AM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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To: Fury

Republican scum trampling along the plain to get their final snorts before the new congress is sworn in. There is a unified ideological agenda among the elites of this country and this is what we are seeing. Americans are divided along the wrong lines and played for fools while our national ideals are thrown into the trash. This reminds me to never again vote simply for the R.


45 posted on 12/21/2010 8:15:41 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Fury

And so, the next pod of limp-wristed RINOs prepare for extinction. Rock on, half-wits; you too, will be forgotten before being significant.


46 posted on 12/21/2010 8:16:13 AM PST by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: Fury

The squish Alexander should be expressing his outrage over an administration that uses the term “transparency” as a positive when making military secrets public.

Alexander’s “We still have enough bullets” comments show he has no understanding of war.

Lamar Alexander is a squish.


47 posted on 12/21/2010 8:16:39 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Fury

START / DADT = faggots tossing daisies

A relinquish of power by short timers in a treasonous lame duck congress


48 posted on 12/21/2010 8:17:49 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: Fury
“Americans are safer and more secure with the treaty than without it,” he said.

Yeah, kinds like Tibet was made "safer" after the ChiComs "secured" it, eh, Lamar?

49 posted on 12/21/2010 8:19:49 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Sprite518

Mitch McConnell
202-224-2541


50 posted on 12/21/2010 8:19:49 AM PST by GailA (NO JESUS, NO CHRISTmas!)
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