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The REAL Facts about the New START Treaty (FREEPER HELP)
whitehouse.gov ^ | December 20, 2010

Posted on 12/20/2010 4:54:28 PM PST by DrewsMum

Aggregate limits:

•1,550 warheads. Warheads on deployed ICBMs and deployed SLBMs count toward this limit and each deployed heavy bomber equipped for nuclear armaments counts as one warhead toward this limit. ◦This limit is 74% lower than the limit of the 1991 START Treaty and 30% lower than the deployed strategic warhead limit of the 2002 Moscow Treaty. •A combined limit of 800 deployed and non-deployed ICBM launchers, SLBM launchers, and heavy bombers equipped for nuclear armaments. •A separate limit of 700 deployed ICBMs, deployed SLBMs, and deployed heavy bombers equipped for nuclear armaments. ◦This limit is less than half the corresponding strategic nuclear delivery vehicle limit of the START Treaty.

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This article lists the "facts" via the Whitehouse. Could We have some freepers give their input as to what the REAL facts are or verify what is posted?? What the START Treaty really contains and why it is dangerous! Give sources please. This is to help those who don't know exactly what it is and to serve as a quick reference, instead of having to decipher several different reports....

Also, if anyone has a list of where different Senators stand on the treaty, that info would be helpful also....

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: russia; start
I put it in breaking because the Senate is about to vote. The more real facts and knowledge we have on the subject, the better.
1 posted on 12/20/2010 4:54:34 PM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum
Factoid: No treaty has ever been ratified by a lame duck congress.
2 posted on 12/20/2010 5:02:40 PM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: DrewsMum

Flaws of START Treaty:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/twelve-flaws-of-new-start-that-will-be-difficult-to-fix

Focus in Flaw #2 which prohibits our development on missile defense technology. This is detrimental considering potential EMP attacks by short-range missiles which will fry all our electronic devices.

Flaw #7 which prohibits manufacturing tactical muclear weapons, in which Russia’s stockpile is ten-fold more than ours. And possibly next World War will be fought with this weapon.


3 posted on 12/20/2010 5:06:58 PM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: DrewsMum
Looking at it strictly from a logistical perspective I would imagine there is a direct cost associated with reducing the arsenal and as well as an indirect cost. Reducing the maintenance, and parts requirements, as well as the necessary expertise will reduce our capability to ramp up if necessary -the nuclear arsenal has always been a deterrent and if it becomes ZERO then it is no longer a threat.

Philosophically, there is NO reason to disarm the good guy with the white hat to appease those who have no stake in his defense or his perpetuity...

This makes no sense -treaties are not necessary to or can they guarantee peace -that ideal is another utopian dream the left embraces. We are free because we guarantee it and God endowed it -we need to stinking treaty from man to certify it nor agreement to endorse what we already consider unalienable...

4 posted on 12/20/2010 5:11:19 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

It will be verified,with 67 senators. Unbelievable!! Destiny!

May God have mercy on us all.


5 posted on 12/20/2010 5:16:26 PM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: DrewsMum

Nukes on train-based launchers don’t count toward the limit. We’ve never had a taste for nukes on trains, but from what I understand much of their stockpile is train-based.

The reaty has more holes in it for the Russians than swiss cheese. It might as well be unilateral disarament.


6 posted on 12/20/2010 5:19:35 PM PST by dajeeps
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To: dajeeps
It might as well be unilateral disarmament.

It Is!

7 posted on 12/20/2010 5:35:24 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: DrewsMum

"Forget Anna Chapman, Barak.
You are our most horrorshow, and deepest, agent, … ever."


8 posted on 12/20/2010 6:07:07 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: God-fear-republican

Whens the vote? last week I spent hours calling my elected representitives to urge a No vote on the DREAM/nightmare Act. Why don’t we start calling these fools?


9 posted on 12/20/2010 6:39:33 PM PST by STD (O is out of commission indefinitly)
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To: DrewsMum

Nine years ago this month, President Bush announced that the US was withdrawing from the 1972 ABM treaty.

The next President, in January 2013, will need to do the same, withdraw from this one-sided Start II treaty, and continue to defend our country through missile defense systems.


10 posted on 12/20/2010 6:42:44 PM PST by PCRit
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To: DrewsMum

The outcome if this vote will be the best indication yet as where out government ‘desires’ to stand in the ‘New World Order’

We will lose respect on the world stage and show weakness to our enemies.

It gives away our military might and disgraces all our military.

Only a ‘TRAITOR’ of the USA would vote yes on such a thing.


11 posted on 12/20/2010 7:10:29 PM PST by Java4Jay
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To: DrewsMum

New Start = New Weakness


12 posted on 12/20/2010 7:24:24 PM PST by Java4Jay
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To: DrewsMum

What’s next…faggots tossing daisies at the enemy ?


13 posted on 12/20/2010 7:27:23 PM PST by Java4Jay
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To: DrewsMum

On Tuesday — tomorrow — the lame duck Senate will vote on ratifying the START treaty with Russia. It needs 67 votes and we must not let it pass….

Read Dick Morris’s message and see which Senators we need to contact NOW!!!!

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/help-stop-start/


14 posted on 12/20/2010 7:32:57 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: STD

The vote will be as soon as tomorrow.

Our current or future President will not withdraw from this treaty until it is too late. 2012 will be deciding year and I am not talking about election as election is only a side-show for the real battle, spiritual battle. We are fighting with principalities and the weapon is prayer, not gun, not politics.


15 posted on 12/20/2010 7:41:01 PM PST by God-fear-republican
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To: Wisconsinlady

thank you thanks to you all....this is the kind of info we need all in one place....


16 posted on 12/20/2010 7:42:18 PM PST by DrewsMum
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To: DrewsMum

got to flood the targets with calls 24/7. i’m faxing them again right now with these points.

i smell another secret dem deal with the rinos. corker, cochran and isakson could well be involved. keep pounding mccain, too never know what he’s going to do.

this already had cloture. why did he refile? did they add some secret amendments?


17 posted on 12/20/2010 8:49:08 PM PST by dadfly
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To: dadfly

my mistake, last week’s vote was to open debate on start.

from heritage “morning bell:”

Senators should keep in mind this Administration’s hostility toward missile defense to begin with. Within months of assuming office, the Obama Administration announced a $1.4 billion cut to missile defense. The successful Airborne Laser boost-phase program was cut, the Multiple Kill Vehicle and Kinetic Energy Interceptor was terminated, and the expansion of ground-based interceptors in Alaska and California were canceled. Adding insult to injury, President Obama then installed long-time anti-missile defense crusader Phillip Coyle as Associate Director for National Security in the White House Office of Science and Technology … by recess appointment. That’s right—this President not only appointed the “high priest” of missile defense denialism as his top adviser on missile defense, but he did so in a way to purposefully avoid Senate consultation on the matter. This is the President some Senate conservatives want to trust? On missile defense? Really?

New START is a bad deal for national security at any time. The Administration still refuses to release the treaty’s negotiation records.


18 posted on 12/20/2010 9:12:55 PM PST by dadfly
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To: DrewsMum
Go to the State Dept (US Dept of State) homepage.

The 'new Start' treaty , in all five parts, can be downloaded there.

The total is 356 'not so full' pages. Its easy to read. What bugs me is the 2nd part the Protocols that's the largest at 165 pages. The Treaty itself is only 17 'not so full' pages.

19 posted on 12/21/2010 4:46:22 AM PST by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: DrewsMum

It’s time to STOP START!


20 posted on 12/21/2010 9:05:07 AM PST by 2harddrive
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