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To: rabscuttle385

As a veteran, I’m willing to bet a week’s pay that neither Snowe nor Lieberman ever spent one day in the military. But, on the other hand, the Dutch Army allows gays to serve openly. Does anyone remember the last time the Dutch have won a war?


22 posted on 12/17/2010 7:16:28 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Signalman

When was the first time the Dutch won a war?


28 posted on 12/17/2010 7:31:59 PM PST by sport
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To: Signalman

>Does anyone remember the last time the Dutch have won a war?<

http://cmrlink.org/HMilitary.asp?docID=378

At a March 18 Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, two former service members who had been discharged for homosexuality focused their testimony on their own personal stories. The third witness, retired Marine General John Sheehan, came across as a credible grown-up with more serious concerns on his mind.

Having served as NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic and as Commander-in-Chief for the U.S. Atlantic Command (1994-1997), Gen. Sheehan was uniquely qualified to provide strong testimony that weakened the claims of civilian gay activists who want America’s military to be more like European forces.

Referring to the military officials from nations that Sheehan led as NATO commander, Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-MI) asked whether the general had discussed the issue with them. “Did they tell you that they had unit cohesion or morale problems?” Much to Levin’s surprise, Sheehan answered “Yes” and proceeded to provide details.

After the Soviet Union dissolved, Sheehan said, European nations began focusing on peacekeeping because “they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back.” After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other European nations came to believe that there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries. “They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military - that included the unionization of their militaries; it included open homosexuality.”

He continued,

“That led to a force that was ill-equipped to go to war. The case in point that I am referring to is when the Dutch were required to defend Srebrenica against the Serbs. The battalion was under-strength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the [Bosnian] Muslims off, and executed them. That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II.” 1

Chairman Levin asked whether Dutch leaders had told the general that the inclusion of homosexuals had contributed to the military debacle. Unlike some news reports’ descriptions, Gen. Sheehan chose his words carefully, saying that commanders he had spoken to “included that as part of the problem…. [T]he combination was the liberalization of the military, a net effect, basically of social engineering.” 2


32 posted on 12/17/2010 7:59:11 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Signalman

Not just the Dutch, but for whatever reason, Russia, UK and Israel permit gays to openly serve.


33 posted on 12/17/2010 8:06:44 PM PST by trumandogz
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