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BREAKING NEWS! The abdication of the West the sting at Cancun ( Global Warming?????)
JoNova ^ | December 9th, 2010 | joanne

Posted on 12/09/2010 12:20:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The power hungry tyrants learnt from Copenhagen. They realized that they have a far better chance of success by underselling the expectations and sliding in long impenetrable documents in front of underling bureaucrats. Due to the importance of this I have reproduced Christopher Monckton’s words in full as reported at SPPI (see below).

The UN wants nothing less than 1.5% of our GDP.

That’s $212 billion from the USA every year ($2700 per family of 4).

That’s $32 billion from the UK every year ($2000 per family of 4).

That’s $13 billion from Australia every year ($2400 per family of 4).

Figures calculated from the CIA world Factbook

The Secretariat will have the power not merely to invite nation states to perform their obligations under the climate-change Convention, but to compel them to do so. Nation states are to be ordered to collect, compile and submit vast quantities of information, in a manner and form to be specified by the secretariat and its growing army of subsidiary bodies.

Please send this message on and email politicians. Australian elected representatives are listed here. Once this is quietly established, how will any single nation back out even if it’s citizen vote to do so (other than the US with the military might to match the UN?)

If you would prefer to spend that money on other things. Now is the time to protest. The more money they get, the harder they are to stop.

–  Joanne Nova

The abdication of the West

December 9th, 2010

The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley

From the SPPI Blog

Cancun, Mexico

I usually add some gentle humor to these reports. Not today. Read this and weep. Notwithstanding the carefully-orchestrated propaganda to the effect that nothing much will be decided at the UN climate conference here in Cancun, the decisions to be made here this week signal nothing less than the abdication of the West. The governing class in what was once proudly known as the Free World is silently, casually letting go of liberty, prosperity, and even democracy itself. No one in the mainstream media will tell you this, not so much because they do not see as because they do not bl**dy care.

The 33-page Note (FCCC/AWGLCA/2010/CRP.2) by the Chairman of the “Ad-Hoc Working Group on Long-Term Co-operative Action under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change”, entitled Possible elements of the outcome, reveals all. Or, rather, it reveals nothing, unless one understands what the complex, obscure jargon means. All UNFCCC documents at the Cancun conference, specifically including Possible elements of the outcome, are drafted with what is called “transparent impenetrability”. The intention is that the documents should not be understood, but that later we shall be told they were in the public domain all the time, so what are we complaining about?

Since the Chairman’s note is very long, I shall summarize the main points:

Finance: Western countries will jointly provide $100 billion a year by 2020 to an unnamed new UN Fund. To keep this sum up with GDP growth, the West may commit itself to pay 1.5% of GDP to the UN each year. That is more than twice the 0.7% of GDP that the UN has recommended the West to pay in foreign aid for the past half century. Several hundred of the provisions in the Chairman’s note will impose huge financial costs on the nations of the West.

There is so much more…

The world-government Secretariat: In all but name, the UN Convention’s Secretariat will become a world government directly controlling hundreds of global, supranational, regional, national and sub-national bureaucracies. It will receive the vast sum of taxpayers’ money ostensibly paid by the West to the Third World for adaptation to the supposed adverse consequences of imagined (and imaginary) “global warming”.

Bureaucracy: Hundreds of new interlocking bureaucracies answerable to the world-government Secretariat will vastly extend its power and reach. In an explicit mirroring of the European Union’s method of enforcing the will of its unelected Kommissars on the groaning peoples of that benighted continent, the civil servants of nation states will come to see themselves as servants of the greater empire of the Secretariat, carrying out its ukases and diktats whatever the will of the nation states’ governments. Many of the new bureaucracies are disguised as “capacity-building in developing countries”. This has nothing to do with growing the economies or industries of poorer nations. It turns out to mean the installation of hundreds of bureaucratic offices answerable to the Secretariat in numerous countries around the world. Who pays? You do, gentle taxpayer. Babylon, Byzantium, the later Ottoman Empire, the formidable bureaucracy of Nazi Germany, the vast empire of 27,000 paper-shufflers at the European Union: add all of these together and multiply by 100 and you still do not reach the sheer size, cost, power and reach of these new subsidiaries of the Secretariat. In addition to multiple new bureaucracies in every one of the 193 states parties to the Convention, there will be an Adaptation Framework Body, a Least Developed Countries’ Adaptation Planning Body, an Adaptation Committee, Regional Network Centers, an International Center to Enhance Adaptation Research, National Adaptation Institutions, a Body to Clarify Assumptions and Conditions in National Greenhouse-Gas Emission Reductions Pledges, a Negotiating Body for an Overall Level of Ambition for Aggregate Emission Reductions and Individual Targets, an Office to Revise Guidelines for National Communications, a Multilateral Communications Process Office, a Body for the Process to Develop Modalities and Guidelines for the Compliance Process, a Registry of Nationally Appropriate Mitigation Actions by Developed Countries, a Body to Supervise the Process for Understanding Diversity of Mitigation Actions Submitted and Support Needed, a Body to Develop Modalities for the Registry of Nationally Appropriate Mitigation Actions, an Office of International Consultation and Analysis; an Office to Conduct a Work Program for Development of Various Modalities and Guidelines; a network of Developing Countries’ National Forest Strategy Action Plan Offices; a network of National Forest Reference Emission Level And/Or Forest Reference Level Bodies; a network of National Forest Monitoring Systems; an Office of the Work Program on Agriculture to Enhance the Implementation of Article 4, Paragraph 1(c) of the Convention Taking Into Account Paragraph 31; one or more Mechanisms to Establish a Market-Based Approach to Enhance the Cost-Effectiveness Of And To Promote Mitigation Actions; a Forum on the Impact of the Implementation of Response Measures; a Work Program Office to Address the Impact of the Implementation of Response Measures; a Body to Review the Needs of Developing Countries for Financial Resources to Address Climate Change and Identify Options for Mobilization of Those Resources; a Fund in Addition to the Copenhagen Green Fund; an Interim Secretariat for the Design Phase of the New Fund; a New Body to Assist the Conference of the Parties in Exercising its Functions with respect to the Financial Mechanism; a Body to Launch a Process to Further Define the Roles and Functions of the New Body to Assist the Conference of the Parties in Exercising its Functions with respect to the Financial Mechanism; a Technology Executive Committee; a Climate Technology Center and Network; a Network of National, Regional, Sectoral and International Technology Centers, Networks, Organization and Initiatives; Twinning Centers for Promotion of North-South, South-South and Triangular Partnerships with a View to Encouraging Co-operative Research and Development; an Expert Workshop on the Operational Modalities of the Technology Mechanism; an International Insurance Facility; a Work Program Body for Policy Approaches and Positive Incentives on Issues Relating to Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation in Developing Countries; a Body to Implement a Work Program on the Impact of the Implementation of Response Measures; and a Body to Develop Modalities for the Operationalization of the Work Program on the Impact of the Implementation of Response Measures.

The world government’s powers: The Secretariat will have the power not merely to invite nation states to perform their obligations under the climate-change Convention, but to compel them to do so. Nation states are to be ordered to collect, compile and submit vast quantities of information, in a manner and form to be specified by the secretariat and its growing army of subsidiary bodies. Between them, they will be given new powers to verify the information, to review it and, on the basis of that review, to tell nation states what they can and cannot do.

Continuous expansion: The verb “enhance”, in its various forms, occurs at least 28 times in the Chairman’s note, Similar verbs, such as “strengthen” and “extend”, and adjectives such as “scaled-up”, “new” and “additional”, are also frequently deployed, particularly in relation to funding at the expense of Western taxpayers. If all of the “enhancements” proposed in the note were carried out, the cost would comfortably exceed the annual $100 billion (or, for that matter, the 1.5% of GDP) that the note mentions as the cost to the West over the coming decade.

Intellectual property in inventions: Holders of patents, particularly in fields related to “global warming” and its mitigation, will be obliged to transfer the benefits of their inventiveness to developing countries without payment of royalties. This is nowhere explicitly stated in the Chairman’s note, but the transfer of technology is mentioned about 20 times in the draft, suggesting that the intention is still to carry out the explicit provision in the defunct Copenhagen Treaty draft of 15 September 2009 to this effect.

Insurance: The Secretariat proposes, in effect, to interfere so greatly in the operation of the worldwide insurance market that it will cease to be a free market, with the usual severely adverse consequences to everyone in that market.

The free market: The failed Copenhagen Treaty draft stipulated that the “government” that would be established would have the power to set the rules of all formerly free markets. There would be no such thing as free markets any more. In Cancun, the Chairman’s note merely says that various “market mechanisms” may be exploited by the Secretariat and by the parties to the Convention: but references to these “market mechanisms” are frequent enough to suggest that the intention remains to stamp out free markets worldwide.

Knowledge is power: The Chairman’s note contains numerous references to a multitude of new as well as existing obligations on nation states to provide information to the Secretariat, in a form and manner which it will dictate. The hand of the EU is very visible here. It grabbed power from the member-states in four stages: first, acting merely as a secretariat to ensure stable supplies of coal and steel to rebuild Europe after the Second World War; then as a registry requiring member states to supply it with ever more information; then as a review body determining on the basis of the information supplied by the member states whether they were complying with their obligations on the ever-lengthier and more complex body of European treaties; and finally as the ultimate law-making authority, to which all elected parliaments, explicitly including the European “Parliament”, were and are subject. Under the Cancun propsoals, the Secretariat is following the path that the plague of EU officials here have no doubt eagerly advised it to follow. It is now taking numerous powers not merely to require information from nation states but to hold them to account for their supposed international obligations under the climate-change Convention on the basis of the information the nations are now to be compelled to supply.

Propaganda: The Chairman’s note contains several mentions of the notion that the peoples of the world need to be told more about climate change. Here, too, there is a parallel with the EU, which administers a propaganda fund of some $250 million a year purely to advertise its own wonderfulness to an increasingly sceptical population. The IPCC already spends millions every year with PR agencies, asking them to find new ways of making its blood-curdling message more widely understood and feared among ordinary people. The Secretariat already has the advantage of an uncritical, acquiescent, scientifically illiterate, economically innumerate and just plain dumb news media: now it will have a propaganda fund to play with as well.

Damage caused by The Process: At the insistence of sensible nation states such as the United States, the Czech Republic, Japan, Canada, and Italy, the Cancun outcome acknowledges that The Process is causing, and will cause, considerable economic damage, delicately described in the Chairman’s note as “unintended side-effects of implementing climate-change response measures”. The solution? Consideration of the catastrophic economic consequences of the Secretariat’s heroically lunatic decisions will fall under the control of – yup – the Secretariat. Admire its sheer gall.

Damage to world trade: As the power, wealth and reach of the Secretariat grow, it finds itself rubbing uncomfortably up against other supranational organizations. In particular, the World Trade Organization has been getting antsy about the numerous aspects of the Secretariat’s proposals that constitute restrictions on international trade. At several points, the Chairman’s note expresses the “decision” – in fact, no more than an opinion and a questionable one at that – that the Secretariat’s policies are not restrictive of trade.

The Canute provision: The conference will reaffirm the decision of its predecessor in Copenhagen this time last year “to hold the increase in global average temperature below 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels”, just like that. In fact, temperature in central England, and by implication globally, rose 2.2 Celsius in the 40 years 1695-1735, as the Sun began to recover from its 11,400-year activity minimum, and rose again by 0.74 C in the 20th century. There has been no warming in the 21st century, but we are already well over 2 Celsius degrees above pre-industrial levels. The Canute provision, as some delegates have dubbed it (after the Danish king of early England who famously taught his courtiers the limitations of his power and, a fortiori, theirs when he set up his throne on the beach and commanded sea level not to rise, whereupon the tide came in as usual and wet the royal feet), shows the disconnect between The Process and reality.

Omissions: There are several highly-significant omissions, which jointly and severally establish that the central intent of The Process no longer has anything to do with the climate, if it ever had. The objective is greatly to empower and still more greatly to enrich the international classe politique at the expense of the peoples of the West, using the climate as a pretext, so as to copy the European Union by installing in perpetuity what some delegates here are calling “transnational perma-Socialism” beyond the reach or recall of any electorate. Here are the key omissions:

How did this monstrous transfer of power from once-proud, once-sovereign, once-democratic nations to the corrupt, unelected Secretariat come about? The story begins with Sir Maurice Strong, an immensely wealthy UN bureaucrat from Canada who, a quarter of a century ago, established the IPCC as an intergovernmental, political body rather than as a scientific body precisely so that it could be maneuvered into assisting in the UN’s long-term aim, reiterated at a summit of senior UN officials this May by Ban Ki-Moon himself, of extinguishing national sovereignty and establishing a world government.

The Process began in earnest in 1988, when the IPCC was established. Shortly thereafter, on a June day in Washington DC deliberately chosen by Al Gore because it was unusually hot, his political ally and financial benefactor James Hansen appeared before a Congressional committee and put before it a wildly-exaggerated graph predicting global warming over the coming 20 or 30 years. Yet June 2008, the 20th anniversary of his testimony, was cooler globally than June 1988, and worldwide warming has happened at less than half the rate he predicted.

The Rio Earth Summit in 1992 allowed environmental groups and world “leaders” to grandstand together. From that summit emerged the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, which began holding annual conferences on “global warming”.

The Kyoto Protocol in 1997 committed its signatories to cut back their national CO2 emissions to 1990 levels by 2012. Most are not going to make it. The US Senate, with Al Gore as its president, voted 95-0 to reject any treaty such as Kyoto, which bound only the West while leaving developing nations such as China to emit carbon dioxide without constraint.

Very little progress had been made by the time of the Bali conference in 2007: but at that conference a “road-map” was constructed that was to lead to a binding international treaty in Copenhagen in 2009.

Just one problem with that. The US Constitution provides that, even if the President has signed a treaty, his signature is meaningless unless the treaty has been debated in the Senate, which must ratify it by the votes of at least 67 of the 100 Senators. It became clear to everyone, after the Obama administration failed to cajole or bully even 60 Senators into passing the Waxman/Markey cap-and-tax Bill, that no climate treaty would pass the Senate.

Worse, the Secretariat grossly overreached itself. Believing its own propaganda to the effect that none but a few vexatious, fossil-funded sceptics believed that “global warming” would be small enough to be harmless, it drafted and posted up on its website a 186-page draft Treaty of Copenhagen, proposing to turn itself into an unelected world government with unlimited powers to impose direct taxation on member nations without representation, recourse or recall, to interfere directly in the environmental policies of individual nations, and to sweep away all free markets worldwide, replacing them with itself as the sole rulemaker in every marketplace (treaty draft, annex 1, articles 36-38). Some quotations from the draft reveal the sheer ambition of the UN:

“The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism. … The government will be ruled by the Conference of the Parties to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change with the support of a new subsidiary body on adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds and the related facilitative processes and bodies.” (Copenhagen Treaty draft of September 15, 2009, para. 38).

The three central powers that the UN had hoped to grant itself under the guise of Saving The Planet from alleged climate catastrophe were as follows:

“Government”: This use of the word “government” is the first use of the term to describe a world government in any international treaty draft.

“Financial mechanism”: The “financial mechanism” was a delicate phrase to describe a new power of the UN to levy unlimited taxation directly on the peoples of its member states: taxation without representation, and on a global scale.

“Facilitative mechanism”: This mechanism would, for the first time, have given the UN he power directly to coerce and compel compliance on the part of its member states, by force if necessary. The Treaty draft describes it as –

“… a facilitative mechanism drawn up to facilitate the design, adoption and carrying out of public policies, as the prevailing instrument, to which the market rules and related dynamics should be subordinate.”

In short, there was to be a New World Order, with a “government” having at its command a “financial mechanism” in the form of unlimited rights to tax the world’s citizen’s directly, and a “facilitative mechanism” that would bring the rules of all formerly free markets under the direct control of the new UN “government”, aided by an already-expanding series of bureaucracies.

At no point anywhere in the 186 pages of the Treaty draft do the words “democracy”, “election”, “ballot”, or “vote” appear. As the EU has already demonstrated, the transfer of powers from sovereign democracies to supranational entities brings those democracies to an end. At the supranational level, in the UN, in the EU and in the proposed world government, decisions are not made by anyone whom we, the voters, have elected to make such decisions.

The exposure of the draft treaty in major international news media panicked the UN into abandoning the draft before the Copenhagen conference even began. Instead, the UN is now legislating crabwise, as the European Union does, with a series of successive annual agreements, the last of which was the Copenhagen Accord, each transferring more power and wealth from individual nations to its supranational bureaucracy. The latest of these agreements is being finalized here in Cancun.

The European Union, which has stealthily stamped out democracy over the past half-century by a series of treaties each transferring a little more power and wealth from elected hands in the member states to unelected hands in Brussels, has been advising the Secretariat on how to do the same on a global scale.

After the spectacular bloody nose the Secretariat got in Copenhagen, it was most anxious not to endure a second failure in Cancun. To this end, it obtained the agreement of the German government to host a monthly series of conferences in Bonn in the early part of 2010, some of which were open to outside observers and some were behind closed doors in a comfortable suburban palace, where the new way of legislating for the world – in secret – first came into use.

The Chinese regime, anxious to get a piece of the action, agreed to host an additional session in Tientsin a few weeks ago. The purpose of this near-perpetual international junketing – which the national delegates have greatly enjoyed at our expense – was to make sure that nearly all of the elements in the Cancun agreement were firmly in draft and agreed well before Cancun, so as to avoid what too many journalists have tediously and obviously described as a “Mexican stand-off”.

It is precisely because of all this massive and expensive preparation that the note by the Chairman, whose main points are summarized above, may well reflect what is finally decided and announced here in a couple of days’ time. The Chairman is not simply guessing: this Note reflects what the Secretariat now confidently expects to get away with.

However, following the Copenhagen disaster, our grim future New Masters are taking no chances. They persuaded their friends in the mainstream news media, who cannot now easily back out of their original declarations of blind faith in the Church of “Global Warming” and are as anxious not to lose face as the Secretariat is, to put it about that at Cancun this year and even at Durban next year very little of substance will occur.

The intention is that, after not one but two international climate conferences, the second of them in Rio in 2012 on the 20th anniversary of the Earth Summit that began it all, the Secretariat will have become so wealthy and will have accreted so much power to itself that no one – not even the US Senate – will dare to resist ratifying the Treaty of Rio that brings democracy to an end worldwide and fulfils Lord Mandelson’s recent statement that “we are now living in a post-democratic age.”

Over my dead body. The people know best what is best for the people. The governing class no doubt knows what is best for the governing class, but does not necessarily know what is best for the people, and must always be kept in check by the ballot-box.

If we are to have a world government at all (and, as the science of “global warming” alarm continues to collapse, the current pretext for world domination by a privileged few is wearing more than a little thin), then it is essential that the world government should be an elected government, and that, as Article 1, Section 1 of the US Constitution makes plain when it grants “All legislative power” to the elected Congress and to the now-elected Senate, none shall make laws for the world or impose taxes upon the world except those whom the people of the world have elected by universal secret ballot.

How can we, the people, defeat the Secretariat and keep the democracy we love? Simply by informing our elected representatives of the scope, ambition, and detail of what is in the Cancun agreement. The agreement will not be called a “Treaty”, because the Senate, particularly after the mid-term elections, will not pass it. But it can still be imposed upon us by the heavily Left-leaning Supreme Court, which no longer makes any pretence at judicial impartiality and may well decide, even if Congress does not, that the Cancun agreement shall stand part of US law on the ground that it is “customary international law”.

What to do? Send this blog posting to your legislators. It is their power, as well as yours, that is being taken away; their democracy, as well as yours, that will perish from the Earth unless this burgeoning nonsense is stopped.

Thanks to the Science and Public Policy Institute. See the blog entry and other reports by Monckton.

Thanks to Helen for alerting me.

The short killer summary: The Skeptics Handbook. The most deadly point: The Missing Hot Spot.



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1 posted on 12/09/2010 12:20:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Major PING!


2 posted on 12/09/2010 12:22:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It won’t get through the GOP controlled House anytime in the near future that’s for sure.


3 posted on 12/09/2010 12:24:02 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: paulycy

Or the Senate.


4 posted on 12/09/2010 12:26:54 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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Picking thru threads for those that might be interested.
5 posted on 12/09/2010 12:27:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is a bigger over-reach than even Obama and the Democrat congress attempted. I think it will result in the US finally revoking its membership in the UN, resulting in the collapse of that despicable organization.

I can see Sarah Palin adding this to her ‘to do’ list, as we speak.


6 posted on 12/09/2010 12:28:02 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Secretariat will have the power not merely to invite nation states to perform their obligations under the climate-change Convention, but to compel them to do so. Nation states are to be ordered to collect, compile and submit vast quantities of information, in a manner and form to be specified by the secretariat and its growing army of subsidiary bodies.

And they will enforce this...how?

7 posted on 12/09/2010 12:29:18 PM PST by apoxonu
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To: paulycy

I do WANT to BELIEVE That!!!!


8 posted on 12/09/2010 12:29:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

FUUN!!!!

I will also die before I sign on to this fraud.

We are talking “total war”.


9 posted on 12/09/2010 12:29:46 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OIC=UN, UN=OIC

Submit to Islam!


10 posted on 12/09/2010 12:29:46 PM PST by himno hero
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To: paulycy

It doesn’t need to get through the GOP controlled House. The Rat controlled Senate ratifies treaties. But fear not, they will never have 66 votes to ratify it.


11 posted on 12/09/2010 12:30:14 PM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We need to kick the UN out of the USA. We have enough bloodsucking, liberal elitists.


12 posted on 12/09/2010 12:31:41 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: apoxonu
There is a man in the Oval office that will lend his support.

Read thru the Wikileaks documents on how much the State Department was badgering other nations to get them in line to support The Global Warming Agreements....

13 posted on 12/09/2010 12:31:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: HenpeckedCon
It doesn’t need to get through the GOP controlled House.

Yes, I realized that after I hit post.

Civics 101 FAIL. [blush]

14 posted on 12/09/2010 12:33:21 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bttt


15 posted on 12/09/2010 12:34:24 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: paulycy

The House does not deal with treaties. It’s all Senate. Chance of that in foreseeable future: approaching zero.


16 posted on 12/09/2010 12:34:35 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I don’t see even a small fraction of this actually happening.


17 posted on 12/09/2010 12:35:00 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: HenpeckedCon

67, actually.


18 posted on 12/09/2010 12:35:35 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Senate has to approve the treaty with a 2/3 vote. Will never happen with that kind of price tag.


19 posted on 12/09/2010 12:36:51 PM PST by apoxonu
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

another executive order


20 posted on 12/09/2010 12:39:46 PM PST by opentalk
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To: paulycy

I hope to God you’re right, the alternative is a civil war.


21 posted on 12/09/2010 12:39:59 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

22 posted on 12/09/2010 12:41:11 PM PST by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

learnt?


23 posted on 12/09/2010 12:41:19 PM PST by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: pabianice

Actually come to think of it we’re both wrong. It’s 2/3’s of the Senators present.


24 posted on 12/09/2010 12:41:41 PM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The U. N. a bunch of pillagers, looters and terrorists.


25 posted on 12/09/2010 12:43:40 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: apoxonu
This was in the article. They are obsessed.

The agreement will not be called a “Treaty”, because the Senate, particularly after the mid-term elections, will not pass it.

But it can still be imposed upon us by the heavily Left-leaning Supreme Court, which no longer makes any pretence at judicial impartiality and may well decide, even if Congress does not, that the Cancun agreement shall stand part of US law on the ground that it is “customary international law”.

26 posted on 12/09/2010 12:47:09 PM PST by opentalk
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To: apoxonu
Remember the MSM is OK with this happening!

Most of the land still believes the MSM!

27 posted on 12/09/2010 12:47:23 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: wendy1946
I hope to God you’re right, the alternative is a civil war.

Well, it's the Senate, not the House that it needs to get through, which it still won't, but these global marxists are serious. We and our kids and grandkids will be fighting this global takeover for generations.

I hope it doesn't get much more violent than the regional strikes like in Greece and England we see now.

28 posted on 12/09/2010 12:48:18 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: Windflier

Don’t you understand that this is what the Progressives and senior GOP have been working for. This is their One World Government.

I am having difficulty understanding how a person of your age, I’m guessing over 30, could not know about the New World Order, Agenda 21, One World Government and the other groups who support Global Government. The only possible explanation is that you are getting all of your news from the TV and liberal newspapers.

I see that you support Sarah Palin. I do too, hoping she will run. I have gathered some quotes from President George Bush (January 1991), Henry Kissinger, World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994, Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in the Wall Street Journal (April 1992), James Paul Warburg 1950, Robert Kennedy, former U.S. Attorney-General, 1967, Nebraska State Senator Peter Hoagland, speaking on radio in 1983, President Bill Clinton 3-22-94, and Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995).

Our current choice for legislative candidates is lawyers who cannot earn a comfortable living working in the Courts and we can see the corruption that has resulted from them. Perhaps there is something about needing more combat veterans in our government positions.

The criminals in this situation are the senior members of both parties in the Congress and Senate. They have accepted as their goal, establishing a NWO and having the United Nations as the center of authority.

I cannot comprehend how someone with free personal liberty would voluntarily become a slave. This bureaucratic collectivist one-world government has been the dream of many since the inception of the League of Nations and world peace. When the League of Nations collapsed the United Nations was proposed in 1945 as the replacement. The Charter of the United Nations in no way, shape or form grants individuals the liberty they have under the US Constitution.

“If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long dreamed-of vision we’ve all worked toward for so long.” — President George Bush (January 1991)

“[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it’s perceptions.” — Henry Kissinger, World Affairs Council Press Conference,
Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994

“How I Learned to Love the New World Order” -article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in the Wall Street Journal (April 1992)

“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” — Statement made before the United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg

“All of us will ultimately be judged on the effort we have contributed to building a NEW WORLD ORDER.”—Robert Kennedy, former U.S. Attorney-General, 1967.

“Fundamental Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in.” —Nebraska State Senator Peter Hoagland, speaking on radio in 1983.

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of freedom to Americans...” “And so a lot of people say there’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it. That’s what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the Housing Projects, about how we’re going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make the people feel safer in their communities”—President Bill Clinton 3-22-94, MTV’s “Enough is Enough”

Does TSA come to your mind when you read this?
“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans..”—
Bill Clinton USA Today—3-11-93, page 2a

“We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.” — Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

I’m sure your first reaction will be to call me a nutcase or worse for posting this but all of it is verifiable. Select the quote and I’ll be glad to verify it for you.


29 posted on 12/09/2010 12:49:50 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is just breathtaking.


30 posted on 12/09/2010 12:50:09 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Roger. Good follow up to what you posted by Watts.


31 posted on 12/09/2010 12:52:28 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

BTTT !!


32 posted on 12/09/2010 12:54:30 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; ...
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Long Article, but very important.

Due to the importance of this I have reproduced Christopher Monckton’s words in full as reported at SPPI (see article).

The UN wants nothing less than 1.5% of our GDP.

That’s $212 billion from the USA every year ($2700 per family of 4).

Thanks, Ernest.

(Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US. Gee, that would make a good tag line. - A couple of years ago, I read an article stating the *average* level of education of an UN member is Eighth (8th) Grade.)

33 posted on 12/09/2010 12:54:33 PM PST by LucyT (Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US.)
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To: colorado tanker; pabianice; paulycy

You folks who don’t see a chance for this amaze me. No scare me is a better choice of words. Why are we still a member of the UN? Because there is a solid portion of our legislators who are trying to get us into global government.

Read http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2640212/posts?page=29#29 and see the proof that this is coming from both parties.


34 posted on 12/09/2010 12:54:53 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The people know best what is best for the people. The governing class no doubt knows what is best for the governing class, but does not necessarily know what is best for the people, and must always be kept in check by the ballot-box.

It's time to face it: democracy is way overrated. There is no way to keep an eye on the cheats, especially now with digital voting machines. Voters fall on a taker/giver bell curve, the left side voting to take from the right. Political fashions are too fickle, creating always shifting rules to the game which favors corrupt insiders and causes great expense to producers. Politicians continually give away the store to get temporarily elected.

A 9-king kingdom may be the way to go, where the kings are sworn to middle-class wealth and can't pass power on to relatives. This is how the Supreme Court is structured, and they have proven to be the most stable, conservative, and corruption-free branch of government.

35 posted on 12/09/2010 12:55:27 PM PST by Reeses
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To: B4Ranch

I see danger ahead. I see some defense in the near future, but beyond 2012 I can’t see. If something bad happens and this country swings back left in 2012 we’re sunk.

So, FRiend, I’m worried too. We need to plan for the worst and hope for the best, as always.


36 posted on 12/09/2010 12:58:11 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: apoxonu

To paraphrase Ayn Rand - In the end socialism has only one way to compel anything. Brute force.


37 posted on 12/09/2010 1:00:16 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (The more the plans fail the more the planners plan - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Reeses
It's time to face it: democracy is way overrated.

Democracy sucks. We are a Constitutional Republic. We are not run by a polit-bureau of 9.

We have a system that is being corrupted and is worth fighting for and putting right.

Period.

38 posted on 12/09/2010 1:00:54 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. Save America From Bankruptcy.)
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To: opentalk
If the Supreme Court has any say here, look out for Anthony Kennedy, who seems enamored of foreign law.
39 posted on 12/09/2010 1:01:49 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: HenpeckedCon

>>Actually come to think of it we’re both wrong. It’s 2/3’s of the Senators present.<<

So during Christmas vacation call 10 Senator back to DC. Take a vote and 7 say Yea. It passed and is noted in the Congressional Record. Done. No listings as to who the Senators were or any fine details.


40 posted on 12/09/2010 1:02:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: HenpeckedCon
It’s 2/3’s of the Senators present.

Then watch out for rules shenanigans to allow this vote to happen at 3 am, December 25th.

41 posted on 12/09/2010 1:03:13 PM PST by Never on my watch (This is a revolution d@mmit, we're going to have to offend SOMEbody! (Adams character - 1776))
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To: B4Ranch
"In the next century, nations, as we know it, will be obsolete. All states will recognize a single global authority."
-- Strobe Talbott - Deputy Secretary of State under Bill Clinton. Time Magazine, July 20th, 1992
42 posted on 12/09/2010 1:09:29 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The governing class no doubt knows what is best for the governing class, but does not necessarily know what is best for the people, and must always be kept in check by the ballot-box.

Lord Monckton should become a little more familiar with the Second Amendment and it's appeal to the "ammo box" version of control. GBR will fall the hardest due to her draconian gun possession laws.

43 posted on 12/09/2010 1:10:42 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

UN out of the US NOW!


44 posted on 12/09/2010 1:12:48 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: B4Ranch
The euroweenies never even implemented Kyoto. They make these grandiose agreements, bask in the media attention, and then act in their own self-interest, which is not to gut their economies.
45 posted on 12/09/2010 1:15:20 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Reeses
A 9-king kingdom may be the way to go, where the kings are sworn to middle-class wealth and can't pass power on to relatives. This is how the Supreme Court is structured, and they have proven to be the most stable, conservative, and corruption-free branch of government.

No Thanks! Ruth Ginsburg and a Wise Latina are not my idea of a stable, conservative and corruption free government. There may be snakes in the congress, but at least we have some chance of getting rid of them. The Wise Latia is there forever and we have no way to be rid of her.
46 posted on 12/09/2010 1:16:29 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: RasterMaster

Won’t be long now.


47 posted on 12/09/2010 1:18:26 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: paulycy
We are not run by a polit-bureau of 9. We have a system that is being corrupted and is worth fighting for and putting right.

One of the 3 branches of our federal government is a "polit-bureau of 9" and it functions better than the other two. Our elections are frequent which forces politicians to continually give away free stuff and special favors at taxpayers expense. Every election we go more broke. Public elections are nice in theory but they don't work for long in practice. When the USA was founded, elections were limited to men that owned land, a workable design. What we have now is nothing close to that.

48 posted on 12/09/2010 1:20:21 PM PST by Reeses
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump to read tonight


49 posted on 12/09/2010 1:23:22 PM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Tell Congress to set my CO2 free. Declare CO2 a non pollutant.


50 posted on 12/09/2010 1:23:45 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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