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To: SeekAndFind

I think that it would be important to know WHO is taking the tests.

In our state EVERYONE in public schools take the sats. Now that is ridiculous but it does help maintain the panic needed to get more funds for schools.

In many countries, you have to be a high end student to even take the tests.


10 posted on 12/08/2010 10:06:37 AM PST by Chickensoup (I am no longer Republican or Democrat, I am Conservative.)
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To: Chickensoup

interesting point. Personally, I would love to see how homeschooled Americans placed compared to other countries.


14 posted on 12/08/2010 10:10:09 AM PST by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: Chickensoup

Everyone in your state doesn’t take the SAT. Your state, whatever it is, like every state, has a substantial dropout rate (the average dropout rate calculated by te Manhattan Institute is between 30-35%). Consequently, a huge percentage of low performing students are not included, which skews the scores upward. I’ll bet you never thought of the average score as being inflated.

While I’ll agree as someone with more than a passing knowledge of Mainland China that the Shanghai scores are “cooked” to some degree and in reality are probably comparable to Hong Kong’s (which are quite good), it is amazing the lengths some people will go to to try to ignore obvious facts. Our government schooled students are INFERIOR to the students in other countries because for at least three generations our highly trained education professionals have embraced a leftist non-cognitive educational agenda for education that even the Communist Chinese reject.


35 posted on 12/08/2010 10:37:54 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Chickensoup

Exactly.

This is likely a measure of the best and the brightest in China vs. a very wide demographic in the USA.

As the parent of three public-school educated sons, all of whom now have engineering degrees, I feel confident that our best and brightest can stand up to international competition.


52 posted on 12/08/2010 11:07:16 AM PST by Jedidah
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