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Secession ball stirs controversy
The SunNews.com ^ | 12-3-2010 | Robert Behre Charleston Post

Posted on 12/03/2010 4:39:40 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: ClearCase_guy
I say this as a lifelong Yankee.

You are my favorite Yankee. You can move here if you want.

21 posted on 12/03/2010 5:31:20 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It's not really about 1860. You can go back to 1812 and see that the north wanted commerce and the south wanted tariffs. The Missouri Compromise was an attempted solution between northern and southern interests. The nullification crisis of 1836 and the Compromise of 1850 was the same thing. Kansas and Nebraska, also a struggle between financial and political interests of these two parts of the country.

The South wanted citizens within their own state to control their destiny. The North wanted a feel-good solution imposed on those who were "less enlightened". Much of this was about money (commercial trading/industry vs agriculture) and much of this was about imposing morality on others.

The Democrats were morally wrong when they supported slavery, but they were morally right when they defended states rights. The North sought to use the national government to impose its will on sovereign states of the South, and that directly contravenes the type of government outlined in our constitution.

It's incorrect and simplistic to say that the ACW was caused by unhappiness of the election results of 1860.

22 posted on 12/03/2010 5:32:56 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Babalu

No doubt the NAACP is going to milk this for all the fundraising benefit they can. One side provokes and the other side complains and both sides raise money. Too often that has been the story of Dixie.


23 posted on 12/03/2010 5:37:07 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Sorry, but Lincoln did more damage to the “work of George Washington” that the South ever did.

I just wish I could go...


24 posted on 12/03/2010 5:42:39 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Do us a favor and crawl back in your hole!

It is quite evident to see that you are only trying to instigate a fight and ill will toward those Southern Freepers who have the “audacity” to be proud of their ancestors who fought for the South. You sir are worse than a San Francisco liberal.

25 posted on 12/03/2010 5:44:20 AM PST by ohioman
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To: ClearCase_guy
. The North sought to use the national government to impose its will on sovereign states of the South, and that directly contravenes the type of government outlined in our constitution.

There were radical elements in the North who wished to do that, but they were not even a controlling element in the Republican Party. The South had more than a sufficient number of Northern allies to protect their domestic life.

But the Republican tide was a mortal threat to the expansion of slavery in the territories.

If the issue was merely sustaining non-interference in the slave states, the logical course would be to continue in alliance with the moderate North. Secession only made sense if the motivation was the militant radical spread of slavery.

26 posted on 12/03/2010 5:45:27 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Well, y’all are welcome to come back through Atlanta any time... (Where is Sherman, now that we need him?)


27 posted on 12/03/2010 5:46:40 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: ohioman
It is quite evident to see that you are only trying to instigate a fight and ill will toward those Southern Freepers who have the “audacity” to be proud of their ancestors who fought for the South. You sir are worse than a San Francisco liberal.

I think you ought to be proud of your ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. Its the secessionist politicians who behaved shamefully.

28 posted on 12/03/2010 5:47:50 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Secession only made sense if the motivation was the militant radical spread of slavery.

Please explain how the secession of South Carolina was an attempt at the "militant radical spread of slavery".

Looks to me like SC was trying to avoid federal interference and was protesting violations of the constitution. There is nothing in the secession of SC that had anything to do with spreading slavery.

29 posted on 12/03/2010 5:51:57 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Sorry, but one of the MAJOR issue was the tariff. The South shipped a lot of cotton overseas and wanted to bring stuff back in cheaply. The North wanted to hold the South as a captive market and raw material source through high tariffs. Essentially the North wanted to practice mercantilism against the South.

After the South seceded, the Northern industrialists and merchants had visions of grass growing in the streets of New York and Boston, because of low (10%) tariffs in Charleston and New Orleans. The Federal Government had visions of bankruptcy (approx. 75% of the Fed’s revenues came from the South). The fact that the South controlled the mouth the Mississippi made this all the worse.


30 posted on 12/03/2010 5:53:47 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Politicians on both sides acted like crap. However, the NAACP is the most shameful of all.


31 posted on 12/03/2010 5:54:30 AM PST by ohioman
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To: vetvetdoug

I have little doubt that NAACP would lose that debate because the NAACP would overstate their case and crudely apply the broad brush. But I’m not the one saying that the Confederate soldier was generally a slavery-obsessed monster. I’m just talking about the secessionists themselves, a manipulating political elite who often took great pains to avoid exertions and dangers.


32 posted on 12/03/2010 5:57:40 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: paladin1_dcs

FYI, Emancipation Proclamation was signed 1 Jan 1863, Battle of Gettysburg 1-3 July 1863


33 posted on 12/03/2010 5:57:48 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Just for fun, some South Carolinians should lobby for a commemorative “First to Secede” license plate.


34 posted on 12/03/2010 6:00:35 AM PST by Elwood P. Doud (America, you voted for a negro socialist with an Islamic name - so why act surprised?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Looks to me like SC was trying to avoid federal interference and was protesting violations of the constitution. There is nothing in the secession of SC that had anything to do with spreading slavery.

But what was the Constitutional violation in the election of Abraham Lincoln? The secessionists might not have liked higher tariffs, but as long as they were Constitutionally enacted, what is the complaint? And I have no doubt that Northern and Southern Democrats acting in concert could have modified that.

35 posted on 12/03/2010 6:01:37 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: ohioman

Frequently I’m no great fan of the NAACP’s rhetoric on the Civil War. Too often they make the 16 year old rebel farm boy soldier into a combination of Benedict Arnold and the Grand Dragon of the KKK.


36 posted on 12/03/2010 6:04:23 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Great to see a celebration of the rights outlined in the Declaration of Independence.

Thanks for the article.

BUMP.


37 posted on 12/03/2010 6:04:49 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I’m just talking about the secessionists themselves, a manipulating political elite who often took great pains to avoid exertions and dangers.

You are clearly historically retarded. I cannot find any evidence anyone was manipulated into secession. The people of SC voted on it as did the other 10 states, the people voted on those ordinances. Nice try.

38 posted on 12/03/2010 6:05:52 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Benedict Arnold and the Grand Dragon of the KKK.

Most of those types were found in WV,PA, OH and IN.

39 posted on 12/03/2010 6:07:39 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
You are clearly historically retarded. I cannot find any evidence anyone was manipulated into secession. The people of SC voted on it as did the other 10 states, the people voted on those ordinances. Nice try.

I know Georgia produced a very suspect secession marred by falsified returns and several supposedly unionist delegates voting against the will of their electors to take the state out of the Union.

40 posted on 12/03/2010 6:14:59 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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