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Read some of the comments in the original link, also interesting.
1 posted on 11/27/2010 4:37:45 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
An educated populace can only help us all.

They are primarily indoctrination centers.

2 posted on 11/27/2010 4:54:12 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: JerseyHighlander

So I see how all of these useless studies get done, get a college professor to write for a grant.


4 posted on 11/27/2010 4:59:23 PM PST by ully2 (ully)
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To: JerseyHighlander

I have previously asked aloud whether a good way for a budding young economics professor to NOT get tenure, is to do a cost-benefit analysis of different classes, or majors, at the institution he works at. Compare starting salaries of recent grads, with their course lists, and see whether there is enough data to place an economic value on each course. Probably a lot of the classes will have negative value, those people who take such a course will get a lower salary than someone who doesn’t. I think this will upset enough people on the tenure committee to ensure an unfavorable outcome.


5 posted on 11/27/2010 5:02:00 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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I think the biggest problem is the drift away from Classical Education to the factory-like method we try to use now where its all about completed Paperwork. If the Universities could just teach people to truly understand ideas by making the Students read the primary sources, and discuss those, we’d get a lot farther.


7 posted on 11/27/2010 5:13:32 PM PST by ZAROVE
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To: JerseyHighlander

(compared to rewards for great research.)


I would contend that today’s professors get rewarded for maintaining the socialist status quo.

Global warming was certainly not “great research”, but it was highly rewarded. Grants were easy to get.


8 posted on 11/27/2010 5:15:08 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: JerseyHighlander

If a student is grousing about the quality of instruction they receive in class - they have no business being in college. Learning is something the student does for themselves. The professor is there to direct them to what they should be studying, and keep them to some sort of schedule through regular testing intervals. Expecting anything else is a kindergarten mentality (which isn’t to say that plenty of people aren’t herded through our higher education system with just such a mindset).


10 posted on 11/27/2010 5:17:23 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: SirKit

Education racket ping!


11 posted on 11/27/2010 6:05:24 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: JerseyHighlander

It would actually be cheaper to hire a private tutor at $50/hr for every single student for 4 years, than university tuition.


Yeah, sure Buddy. That might work for the basics. Good luck trying to find someone to tutor the harder subjects (nuclear physics, differential equations, control theory) at that price—let alone in the volume needed.


13 posted on 11/27/2010 6:57:40 PM PST by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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It always bugged me that you need state certification to teach K-12 but any yutz can teach in college as long as they can get themselves hired. You don’t even need to be able to speak English.


14 posted on 11/27/2010 6:57:52 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Wanna learn humility? Become a Pittsburgh Pirates fan!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Over the last century university education has gone from an elite privilege that perhaps 5% of the population would have access to, to a commodity that essentially everyone can get.

I disagree, there are way too may people in college and way too many college loans outstanding. Students are herded into classrooms and taught the way you describe because that’s the way the administration makes money. Meanwhile, there is tremendous pressure on instructors to keep the standards low, the grades high and the customers happy. There is not much of value being taught in many of these classes and few of the students are learning much. Far fewer kids should be in college and most of the savings should go towards vocational schools and training. I teach at a mid-size university and I am of the opinion that the place should be mostly defunded. I recommend this book to all - http://www.thefiveyearparty.com/


15 posted on 11/27/2010 7:38:40 PM PST by Catphish
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To: JerseyHighlander
Over the last century university education has gone from an elite privilege that perhaps 5% of the population would have access to, to a commodity that essentially everyone can get...the normal curve is part of the human condition - the real problem with the higher education gang is that they continue to scam the public by pretending they can teach everyone to master and appreciate the fine points of calculus 1, Shakespeare and other highfalutin subjects that probably only twenty percent or so of the population can handle...the solution is to admit that most people can pick up education commensurate with their abilities and plenty adequate to help them earn a good living in settings other than college, and to make that an honorable attitude in society...
On my first day in class as a new journalism major at university, our instructor (an editor at the Philadelphia Inquirer at the time) told us that if we really wanted to be journalists, we should go major in something else, because we'd be taught to write in the appropriate style when we eventually went to work in the field (naturally I changed majors the next day). Few people actually use much of what they learn in college once they get out - many have to unlearn what they picked up there as they move on in life. There are plenty of other routes available to develop the general appreciation of literature, history, science and culture which college should provide - the higher education racket will never admit it though......
18 posted on 11/27/2010 10:02:29 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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