Posted on 11/17/2010 6:21:28 AM PST by USALiberty
A series of two-page spreads asks questions ("Have I told you that you are creative?") across from short tributes. He writes of Georgia O'Keeffe: "She helped us see big beauty in what is small: the hardness of stone and the softness of feather." His most controversial choice may be Sitting Bull, who defeated Custer at Little Bighorn: ("A Sioux medicine man who healed broken hearts and broken promises.")
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Thanks for bringing that up.
The gospel was most often presented from a position of arrogance and superiority (such as demonstrated by jiminycricket000 posts) and effectively drowned out much of the love and forgiveness in the message. It is an impression that has lasted to this day. Successful missions to Native Americans today come with an active demonstration of the love of Christ and not the attitude of 'we are here to save you poor, retched heathens'.
You may sugar-coat the southern relationship with the Indian all you like. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.
The stubborn fact is that the Cherokee removal was engineered by southerners, especially the Georgia state legislature, elected by the people, or more accurately by the white men. This campaign went on more than a decade, and the people had plenty of opportunity to vote them out had they disagreed.
You are accurate that not all southerners supported it. Davy Crockett opposed it in Congress, but it is relevant that he, as a direct result, lost his bid for re-election.
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/ArticlePrintable.jsp?id=h-2722
There appears to have been a good deal more intermarriage in the South than in northern or border states, but this is probably at least partly because the southern tribes were more acculturated than the northern ones. They weren’t as “different.”
BTW, northern tribes, during the period of independence, were not exterminated. Most were “removed” just as the southern tribes were, to the Trans-Mississippi, eventually to Oklahoma.
Also BTW, during most of this period the federal government was largely controlled by southerners. You seem to classify federal actions as “northern” by definition, and that just wasn’t true at this time. Similar to the way liberals classify past liberal mistakes or evils as “American,” while claiming liberal positive achievements as “liberal.”
Not all cultures are equal. Ours is better than the rest. Period. There is no such thing as religious and cultural neutrality. Christian, Western society must eventually win out. And it will.
From what I've read re: the early American frontier, you are painting with a very very wide brush here, my friend. You've managed to lump over 100 distinct tribes with distinct cultures into the pejorative term "Indians".
To be sure, some of these cultures were strange and "barbaric" (by your standards; certainly not theirs) and tho culturally different from you...and certainly from the early French and Spanish europeans, they were absolutely normal for their time and place and acting as they should.
No, my friend, not "barbaric" - not by their own standards, and not by neighboring tribe's standards. "Warlike", "Agressive", "Dominant" to be sure, but "barbaric"??? I think not.
Your definition of "barbaric" comes from your cultural mores and standards that you are busily trying to "overlay" on top of their culture, then castigating them because they do not measure up to your expectations.
Leave them to their culture. If I may paraphrase, "it is what it was", and let's leave it at that.
Sitting Bull was a terrorist? You’re an idiot.
***Sorry, I don’t believe anything that Chivington said about Sand Creek.***
You seem to forget that and official inquest was held with other witnesses on this matter. the only thing Chivington lied about was the number of dead indians(600).
Lt Ware said they were elated to find Chivington killed so many until they found he had only killed about 150.
Just remember, this was the same Chivington who did the impossible by attacking the rear Confederate army at Glorietta Pass, saving New Mexico from the Confederates.
Where did you go to school?
Excellent!
And you must never forget that the history books are written by the winners (ask the Germans and Japanese - and yourselves).
Keep your own history as clean and true as you can, teach it to your young, learn from it's lessons....and never give up.
The Confederacy promised them their own state.
And you see that as vindication? Initially, the Sand Creek engagement was reported as a victory against a brave opponent. Within weeks, however, witnesses and survivors raised a controversy about possible massacre. Several investigations were conducted – two by the military, and one by the Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War. The panel declared:[40] “ As to Colonel Chivington, your committee can hardly find fitting terms to describe his conduct. Wearing the uniform of the United States, which should be the emblem of justice and humanity; holding the important position of commander of a military district, and therefore having the honor of the government to that extent in his keeping, he deliberately planned and executed a foul and dastardly massacre which would have disgraced the verist [sic] savage among those who were the victims of his cruelty. Having full knowledge of their friendly character, having himself been instrumental to some extent in placing them in their position of fancied security, he took advantage of their in-apprehension and defenceless [sic] condition to gratify the worst passions that ever cursed the heart of man. Whatever influence this may have had upon Colonel Chivington, the truth is that he surprised and murdered, in cold blood, the unsuspecting men, women, and children on Sand creek, who had every reason to believe they were under the protection of the United States authorities, and then returned to Denver and boasted of the brave deed he and the men under his command had performed. In conclusion, your committee are of the opinion that for the purpose of vindicating the cause of justice and upholding the honor of the nation, prompt and energetic measures should be at once taken to remove from office those who have thus disgraced the government by whom they are employed, and to punish, as their crimes deserve, those who have been guilty of these brutal and cowardly acts.
***And once again, it boiled down to white encroachment on lands that had been promised to the Nez Perce.***
That is when the US Government promised the Nez Perce the Camas prarie, but some dingbat bureaucrat thought it was Kansas Prarie and refused to change it.
But the final straw was when the amongst the “evil” things the Americans had done to the tribe was when the medicine man convinced Joseph that the white farmers were causing the land to produce more than it would normally.
WARPATH!
And now you are just babbling nosense about the Nez Perce.
So as not to be suddenly massacred be vengeful whites.
You bring good points unlike jiminycricket000 who seems to think all the evil is on the Native American side. All of humanity has a capacity for mayhem and an even greater capacity for justifying it.
Doing stupid things has a cost. The idiots who so gleefully voted for obama and other Democrats on November 4, 2008 are about to learn the hard way just how the cost is. Losing their freebies is going to be the least of their problems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silas_Soule
Silas Stillman Soule (July 26, 1838 – April 23, 1865) was a Massachusetts abolitionist, Kansas Territory Jayhawker, and a soldier in the Colorado infantry and cavalry during the American Civil War. Captain Soule, as commander of Company D, 1st Colorado Cavalry, was present at the Sand Creek Massacre on November 29, 1864. He refused an order of his commander, Colonel John Chivington, to fire on defenseless Indians, primarily old men, women, and young children. Soule later testified against Chivington for the atrocities committed by him and his troops. He was shot and killed soon after, believed to be by Chivington loyalists.
Government really whitewashed that one, didn’t they?
Anybody who tries to defend Chivington is an idiot.
But so are those who try to portray what happened at Sand Creek as the norm. It just wasn’t. A book I read recently about the history of Indian/white conflicts spent five pages detailing the Sand Creek atrocities, and perhaps a total of three pages in the entire book detailing Indian-committed atrocities.
OTOH, similar (and far worse) atrocities to those committed at Sand Creek were the normal way of war for many Indian tribes. AFAIK, nobody even claimed that Indian prisoners were taken at Sand Creek so they could be slowly tortured to death at leisure. Yet that was the common practice for many Indian tribes.
He spoke for almost an hour about his plans for increasing every Native American’s present standard of living. He referred to his time as a U.S. Senator and how he had voted for every Native American issue that came to the floor of the Senate.
Although President Obama was vague about the details of his plans, he seemed most enthusiastic and spoke eloquently about his ideas for helping his “red sisters and brothers.”
At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented Obama with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name, “Walking Eagle.” The proud President then departed in his motorcade to a fundraiser, waving to the crowds.
A news reporter later asked the group of chiefs how they came to select the new name they had given to the President.
They explained that “Walking Eagle” is the name given to a bird so full of crap it can no longer fly.
Not all cultures are equal. Ours is better than the rest. Period. There is no such thing as religious and cultural neutrality. Christian, Western society must eventually win out. And it will.
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